Daytona'04 R.O.C CANCELED !!!!

[GregR6]

The press release about the renovations makes no mention of repaving anything, namely the infield...

I don't see why they wouldn't take this opportunity to make it even MO-BETTA for the "participants". Looks like a cool 'upgrade' for the fans & teams tho.  :D

[mmills416]

I dont know if the grid sizes will be that much of an issue.  I think last year in december there were like 750 entries at the race.  Homestead has always been a huge event in the florida region.  It always the largest when Penguin is here.

[Super Dave]

you know what, sissies, whiners, other choice words, call what you wish :D doesn't change the fact that tens of thousands of dollars are going to be pulled from CCS's pocket.

Not sure if that will necessarily happen.

I'm sure that Daytona International Speedway understands the position that all of the bodies involved, there are others that will have to go to Homestead...not just CCS/FUSA, and I would bet that the pricing might be done accordingly to the body.

BERZERKER...Why you cryin' that the sky is fallin' sayin' that ROC is canceled?  It's not canceled;  it will have been moved.

And Mr Stem...I will be out at Vegas...Scott Greenwood too from this thread, I'm sure...

[r6_philly]

I am talking about revenue loss from people who will now probably not compete a full season with CCS. I know of 3-4 already.

[Super Dave]

I am talking about revenue loss from people who will now probably not compete a full season with CCS. I know of 3-4 already.

Are you kidding?

LOL!

I mean, I race because I am a racer and I enjoy racing.  So, I race.  Daytona has certainly not been the end all of road courses...it's far from that.  I'd like to race Brands Hatch or some place like that.

But sacking a full season because of the loss of Daytona?  I'd say that they needed a reason not to do their whole series.  Afterall, not everyone competes in the whole season anyway.

Just my random thoughts...

[GregR6]

Dave, what I think he means is. They will/may still race, but why race WITH CCS ALL YEAR if you may have a shot at regional, but no chance whatsoever at a national because it's ran at another regional track that you don't know. I get his point. Dump all your money into CCS going for a championship, win or not, but get to the national and not have a chance in hell... OOOORR, race with another organization and have a chance at a regional AND the national. It's not an excuse not to RACE, but a reason to not put X amount of $ into CCS's pocket. I for one am just in it for track time this year, but at the same time I'm going to concentrate on CCS in a few specific classes, just to see how I stand-up/progress for the year. A measurement tool if you will... Maybe next year I'll be up to speed enough to attempt a run at a regional and/or national. If I do go to ROC-Homestead, it's only because I have family in FL who wanted to watch me race Daytona, so no big deal for them, just an extra bit of driving for me.  Plus... it does look like a pretty cool track. Count me in for the practice day to learn it AMAP before the races.  :)

[Super Dave]

I sent Benji to Daytona without ever being to the track.  He won.

I sent Matt Gerard a couple of years ago without ever seeing the track.  He won.

It will happen with others in the future too.

There were a lot of guys that had been to Daytona before these guys, so they knew the track, but they didn't win.  

I understand, but it's not a really good excuse in my book.  

Yeah, when I did FUSA at Daytona this year, I had my pics on who was going to win, but it still didn't change my mind on racing.  

Back to those simple words...

Racers race.

[motomadness]

Think of the big picture.  If you want a National championship in CCS, go to the ROC where ever it may be.  If you want to try and win a National race, compete in your nearest FUSA event.  

In a winner take all format, just because you win the race, doesn't really mean you were the best all year, like in the Regional class championships, or the FUSA class championships.  If all you can afford is a Regional campaign, then be happy with that.  Everything else is gravy.  If you apsire to reach higher height, know that it definitely requires greater sacrifices.

I'll go if that's what I want to do for myself and my team.  Personally, I feel that CCS's / CCE's lawyers need to stay on top on these kinds of activities and disseminate information to members about what is on the horizon prior to the season beginning.  The same kind of thing happened last year with the FUSA race at Road America.  It was known long in advance of the event what was potentially going to happen.  In the end, many of us went to Topeka and many did not.  That's how championships are won some times.

[GregR6]

Back to those simple words...
Racers race.

I agree.  ;) Hell, Daytona (a few wks ago) was my 4th race (or 5th, if you count the weekend I took my school ::)), and 1st race there, and if I was an Amateur I would have won all my races according to the lap times...well, and take out the mechanical I had  :-/

I knew I didn't have a chance being that I'm now an expert. I didn't set any goals of placings. I could hardly even set a laptime goal... I was there to race, have fun, and to survive Daytona. I succeeded. :)

[zracer196]

Another point...Of those complaining... :)

Would you have won a NATIONAL championship at Daytona anyway?  Maybe so, but I don't think so...So maybe instaed of a 20th at Daytona, you'd get a 30th at Homestead.

Not trying to be rude...But keep it realistic... ;)

My .02

[StuartV666]

Racers race.

Yeah, but they don't necessarily race with CCS.

Personally, I'm hoping to be back on track well before the ROC. I know I will have no chance in Heck of a National Championship. But, if the ROC were someplace like Road Atlanta, Barber, or No Problem Raceway (near New Orleans), then I would probably still go to it - to race. But there's just about zero chance I'd go to Homestead.

I suspect that there are a whole lot of people like me - ones who figure we have no chance at winning a race at the ROC, for whatever reason - that would go some place more central, but won't go to Homestead. Maybe the attendance at the ROC will lose those people and make up for it with increased attendance from people that live closer to Miami. Maybe not.

Regardless, I've been saying for a long time now, that the ROC should be moved and this seems like the perfect opportunity. Think about the possibilities that would be opened up if it were at Road Atlanta the week before or after the GNF.

For the racers, it would be an opportunity to (more)easily compete in both, if you wanted to. And on a track that is more "like" the normal tracks we race at all season (i.e. it doesn't give such a big advantage to horsepower - how fair is it to run up front all year in Unl. SS on a 600 then have to go to Daytona to compete for the National Championship?). And Road Atlanta is a lot closer, on average, for the participants.

For the fans, I think Road Atlanta provides a MUCH more enjoyable spectating experience.

For the manufacturers, having a 2 week long series of national championship races in one spot certainly makes it seem inviting to go to the time and expense to have demo rides and real displays of bikes and accessories. In other words, I would think all the manufacturer and vendor participation that you see at Daytona now would be greatly magnified just because of the significantly increased bang for the buck of their participation.

For everybody, besides reduced traveling costs to get there, you can actually get a hotel room near Road Atlanta without having to sacrifice a small child as partial payment.

For CCS, well, I haven't seen the contract myself, but somehow I doubt that CCS doesn't have an "out" clause if ISC can't provide the contracted facility (i.e. Daytona). In other words, I bet CCS can get out of whatever contract they have if Daytona isn't going to be available for the scheduled dates. And going to Road Atlanta ought to be cheaper for CCS as well. It's not nearly as far for them, either.

Finally, before somebody brings up the weather in norther GA in October, I will say that I've raced at Daytona *many* times when it was frickin' cold and pouring rain. Look at what the weather has been for the last few Bike Weeks and Biketoberfests. If we could race in those conditions, I have no fears at all about Road Atlanta in mid- or late-October.

- Stu

[zracer196]

I'd vote for Road "A" as well...Another GREAT track!