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Title: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 24, 2004, 07:38:37 AM
yupper, DIS is planning huge rennovations to the Speedway and has canceled all Fall events !

http://www.n-jcenter.com/NewsJournalOnline/Speed/Headlines/03SpeedRBIZ01032404.htm

So where and when shall it be?.. anyone wish to start a poll ?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: MudDawg on March 24, 2004, 07:52:51 AM

Holy Chit batman.  There goes my plan for the fall vacation.  Somebody had better come up with something quick I hope.  (Guess I might not be going to Orlando...sniff sniff sniff)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Nate R on March 24, 2004, 07:54:16 AM
I thought we were going to go to Homestead if this happened? So, my vote is for Homestead.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: MudDawg on March 24, 2004, 07:58:42 AM

Dunno if I wanna drive another 6+ hours to go to a track that the florida guys are gonna know like the back of their hands....and pretty much nobody else.

At least Daytona wasn't a commonly run track...so basically everybody was on fairly level ground.  

I mean...who but Florida guys has EVER run at Homestead?  I mean....little to no realistic practice....and driving 20 hours to get spanked?  Not on my basic racing plan for the year.  Now Road Atlanta....or Barber...I could live with either of those.  At least non-local could run a few extra rounds there and get used to the layout.  

JMHO.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 24, 2004, 07:59:52 AM
Homestead, I hope not. I am afraid the grids would be even smaller because of its location/isolation. Barber? VIR? maybe give another track a shot at it.

Everyone be nice and think a little before bombarding K.E with suggestions/comments...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: LMsports on March 24, 2004, 08:00:33 AM
I'll definitely second the motion to go to Barber!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: mastersofmayhem on March 24, 2004, 08:14:01 AM
BARBER, BARBER, BARBER!!!!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: KBOlsen on March 24, 2004, 08:16:16 AM
Mmmmmm..... BARBERRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 24, 2004, 08:16:32 AM
Either Barber or VIR
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hooter31 on March 24, 2004, 08:22:18 AM
good point jeff,think things out before e-mailing k.e....hey shouldn't you be helping keep me safe right now???
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hooter31 on March 24, 2004, 08:24:48 AM
and as far as location...i wonder if road atlanta is available before or after the wera event...ccs dosn't race there anymore but maybe for the r.o.c....
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on March 24, 2004, 08:34:24 AM
BARBER!!!!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 24, 2004, 08:40:14 AM
Rick? is that you?... coool.

Like I said Monday: "I will fight NO crime until it's OVERTIME" ;D

 Dont forget to factor in the weather in October....
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Nate R on March 24, 2004, 08:42:37 AM
I heard Barber is all messed up already? Bumpy, etc.

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46353
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: tigerblade on March 24, 2004, 08:58:17 AM
I vote for Assen.   ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: 251am on March 24, 2004, 09:01:15 AM
 Road America, RA, RA, RA, RA!!!!!!! It's got a nice beat, and I can drive to it-in one afternoon?!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: WebCrush on March 24, 2004, 09:07:17 AM
Kevin Elliot had already confirmed (off the record) Homestead a few weeks ago while at Daytona
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: mmills416 on March 24, 2004, 09:22:13 AM
I heard homestead awhile back from 3 very-very-very realiable sources.  Just remember that DIS owns Homestead and Daytona so you can pretty much figure it will be at Homestead.  It's only 3 hours from daytona and the weather will be much nicer than virgina and maybe alabama that time of year.  
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 24, 2004, 09:28:41 AM
QuoteI heard homestead awhile back from 3 very-very-very realiable sources.  Just remember that DIS owns Homestead and Daytona so you can pretty much figure it will be at Homestead.  It's only 3 hours from daytona and the weather will be much nicer than virgina and maybe alabama that time of year.  


3 hours from Daytona? Mapquest says it's 300 miles! 100 mph with a trailer, NO WAY! :o
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: mmills416 on March 24, 2004, 09:43:55 AM
OK so 4 hours you puss.....  It only 45 minutes from my house so  :P :P :P :P :P, and I can tow at 85, 7x12 halmark with a tahoe.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Zac on March 24, 2004, 09:51:19 AM
Phoenix Int'l! - the weather would be great in Oct., it's almost as dangeous as Daytona, and it's been a few years since there has been ANY motorcycle race there, so no home court advantage!

-z.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: MZGirl on March 24, 2004, 10:04:42 AM
QuotePhoenix Int'l! - the weather would be great in Oct., it's almost as dangeous as Daytona, and it's been a few years since there has been ANY motorcycle race there, so no home court advantage!

-z.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Make the FL folks drive across the country.   ;)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: davegsxrold929r on March 24, 2004, 10:11:42 AM
homestead is like 6hours from daytona.....
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: OmniGLH on March 24, 2004, 10:20:45 AM
QuoteOK so 4 hours you puss.....  It only 45 minutes from my house so  :P :P :P :P :P, and I can tow at 85, 7x12 halmark with a tahoe.

LOL... hey man it's not our fault you've got a girly-man trailer  ;)  I know *I'm* not planning on setting the cruise at 85 pulling our 8.5x24 Pace American...

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hooter31 on March 24, 2004, 10:24:22 AM
THIS IS B.S.,HOMESTED IS A FL(only) REGION TRACK(not a track that host multiple regions)...IT SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A TRACK TO DECIDE NAT'L  CHAMPIONSHIPS.DON'T TAKE ME THE WRONG WAY,FL REGION HAS MANY VERY FAST RIDERS THAT COULD PROBABLY WIN AT ALMOST ANY TRACK. BUT TO HAVE THE FINALE AT HOMESTED WOULD DEFINITLY GIVE THEM AN ADVANTAGE...just my 2 cents(i live in fl and it would not be a problem to attend any track days or races, so my opion is not based on having to travel ).
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: motobenco on March 24, 2004, 10:25:55 AM
I second the vote for Assen, or I'm pretty quick around Mugello (MotoGP2). Otherwise, I'd say Barber or even the new Race Park in Joliet. As for Homestead, count me out, I'll just start my winter vacation early, back to Costa Rica.


enjoy

Are they going to repave the infield? Some grip would be a nice gift.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Chef on March 24, 2004, 10:31:59 AM
Muguello!!!!!!

OKAY,
BARBER is Fair..........

forty
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: TreyBone on March 24, 2004, 10:38:52 AM
I think it should be in Homestead. :o
That way I could take all my stuff down there and get it stolen. Insurance will give me more for it than if I sell it ;D

It doesn't matter because all the FL region guys will win everything. Everyone here knows that the FL guys are the fastest in the USA.  Why should they have to drive across country to whoop yer ass and take the national championships. It makes more sense to save them some money and let them just drive across the state (or county) and win the national titles.

GOD is everyone here just that stupid?

I love this place.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: smoke on March 24, 2004, 10:40:01 AM
1.  Chef  where there H have you been????? >:( Was up?


2. My vote is Barber or RA.  Having an event at a local track like that gives a clear advantage to the guys that run that track day in and out. Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: TreyBone on March 24, 2004, 10:43:54 AM
This just in from Roadracing World.....ITS OFFICIAL >>>> DONE

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8770
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: smoke on March 24, 2004, 10:48:52 AM
WHY there?  logiclay please
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 10:50:17 AM
Not only Homestead is a FL region track, it makes virtually impossible for any one from out side of FL to test/tune/learn the track before the ROC. I cann't go and ride a track day or attend a regional race at Homestead, it is just too far, and I need 3 extra days off work and spend $350 in gas.

I know 4 people that will not go to Homestead for ROC. I don't really see the point, we will be off by a long shot to the FL guys. Barber or VIR definitely, we can prepare for those tracks. There is a national at Barber and everyone has the chance to go.

It's like going to race at Loudon, we know whos going to go faster.

loosing $1,600 of entries by moving to Homestead may be small from one team, but how many are going to stay home because of the low possility to beat the FL guys?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: TreyBone on March 24, 2004, 11:10:48 AM
I just think it's awesome that they never asked us for an opinion on an alternate location ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: zracer196 on March 24, 2004, 11:16:51 AM
I know it's a haul for most people...It is smaller as well (must have smaller grids)...

But the track is fun...The garages are top notch (unless they take em' away!)...

I'll go...

Mark Z.

CCS #196 ex
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: mmills416 on March 24, 2004, 11:32:55 AM
Being from florida it may seem weird, but I actually agree with most of you.  I think the ROC should be at a more centrally located than even Daytona.  Barber, VIR, TWS the problem is that it will always give someone a home court advantage.  I haven't been around long enough to know why all the FL guy's domiante so much at the ROC. The experts should have seen Daytona at least once before.  When I went there as an ameutur I won most of my races in march with little problem and at the ROC the only guys that were close were other Florida guys who were racing there for the first time.  This year was different as an expert guy from all over were flying.  So, Daytona isn't a home court advantage, But Homestead SURE THE HELL IS... There is a regoinal event in June everybody should come to and see the track.  It very fun and HP wont give you any real crutch.  You actully have to ride well to win.
I think the real reason the ROC is at Homestead is ISC owns both tracks and If CCS wants the ROC at Daytona next year it will be at Homestead this year if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 11:52:02 AM
I guess CCS will just eat this one this year. But I don't particularly want to go to homestead in june (and spend a week off) and then go back for the ROC. Next year then.

FL guys don't always dominate at Daytona. Except for Willam Meyers, all the other AM middle weight front runners in the last 2-3 years have been mid atlantic guys in March. Me, Hector, Donnie was up front in March last year. And in ROC it was Ned and thorny... I don't see it as an advantage to anyone, when a FL guy wins, he is fast period.

I don't like this very much. So there is another reprecussion at least for me and others. If I am out of running for a regional championship, I would not go to the last couple rounds just to make a good grid spot at ROC. So CCS is missing some more entries right there. I don't really care if I finished 2nd or 3rd or 4th in the region, unless it is first. So without ROC in mind I would just skip the last 2 rounds. I made them last year even though I Was injured, I know I wouldn't be this year. And If I am not planning to race FUSA at Homestead, I wouldn't be going to Vegas and Loudon either.

End result of this, for me, is I just dropped about 4 weekends of racing and entry fees from my CCS calendar. Now possiblity is wide open :)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 24, 2004, 11:59:31 AM
anyone wish to wager on the size of the grids for a "National Championship"?  .....do I hear a average of less then 10 per class?.......sounds about right....

But just think how great it will be come Bike Week 2005 at the renovated D.I.S (provided it's completed)

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Thorny on March 24, 2004, 12:12:45 PM
Lets make a push for them to change it to the same weekend but up to BlackHawk. So then we can see how the other regions like riding in the snow and sleet, just like the mid-west guys race in the first weekend every year! Everyone gets to race in sunny and rainy stuff, how about we all line up in the crap we are used to riding in on the first weekend in April, Hint: horsepower makes it harder to win in the snow, then no one can say how the we're beat merely by HP.  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: MudDawg on March 24, 2004, 12:24:36 PM

Well...I had plans of making ROC this year.  Serious effort all season long, etc.  Not now.  No interest in giving up that much of a home court advantge.  I don't learn tracks in one day.  Not and be seriously competetive....especially at a national championship level.

Guess I'll do more WERA and go to the GNF instead.  Probably the same for most of my regular racing friends as well...so there's another several thousand dollars not coming there way.  Methinks this is not going to be a good move for them this year.  But it's probably the only one they have given the late notice from DIS.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 24, 2004, 12:44:47 PM
QuoteIt doesn't matter because all the FL region guys will win everything. Everyone here knows that the FL guys are the fastest in the USA.  Why should they have to drive across country to whoop yer ass and take the national championships. It makes more sense to save them some money and let them just drive across the state (or county) and win the national titles.

     Your gonna have to recount those results and make sure just who does win if it's at another Florida track! :o lol  ;)

     I like the idea of Road Atlanta the week before the GNF (though I haven't been there), that way the weather should be acceptable and people can stay for the next weekends event if they want to. That might also get some larger grids since you could expect some of the GNF competitors to show up for a CCS event held there the week before.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 24, 2004, 02:13:17 PM
I would not generalize all Florida racers being faster. Yes we will make up most of the grids not because of racing superiority but due to numeric superiority. The same would hold true if the ROC was held at Barber, the Alabamie crowd may dominate the grids bt at least there was the opportunity for those throught out the country to travel to Alabama. At Homestead you must travel from the North and North only, geographic isolation will result in puny grids.

Hopefull the powers at CCS will offer a logical explaination as to why Homestead was chosen.

Maybe ISC had a hand in the decision, one ISC track (Daytona) for another..hhhmmmmmm

Either way it will be a watered down event at best...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on March 24, 2004, 02:30:43 PM
My .02

The fact that anyone can enter this 1 race that decides who's national champion is kinda screwbally anyways. If winning that 1 race to be called 'national champ.' is what you really wanna go for, then why don't you just skip like 3-4 regional race weekends, save your $$ and time off work, and just goto the ROC?

I mean you would save gas, tires, entry fees, etc.. Surely that would be enough for someone to make it.

I'd rather race a bunch of regionals and be regional champ in 1+ classes than skip half the races, just to make it to the final race so I could be called a 'national champ.'

Just my .02. Ream away :)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: stumpy on March 24, 2004, 03:03:26 PM
"Everyone here knows that the FL guys are the fastest in the USA.  Why should they have to drive across country to whoop yer ass ".......


Ooooooohhhhh, I'm tellin' Benji!!!!!! He ain't gonna like that one ;D there's a couple a fast guys up here in da midwest eh.! ;)

Big "B" Where you at?


Stumpy
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ScubaSteve on March 24, 2004, 03:09:29 PM
  Hers my 2 cents Im glad its anywhere besides daytona! Daytona blows it all comes down to Hp i agree with RA its got a mixture of both though ive never been there and i plan on going to the GNF this year so the more practice i get there the better. Homestead is a awesome track. We only ride there 3 times a year 1 more then daytona.Its also a easy track to learn trust me i picked it up very quick. Hell i dont care who the hell else shows up im definately going already have my rooms booked!! It is only 3 to 4 hrs south of daytona. Damn we should just change the location every year that way everyone has home track advantage one yr. ;D Just stop whining its a done deal. Homestead makes dayona look like a flea market its a hell of a lot nicer track.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 03:58:32 PM
anyone who doesn't like anything is whining  ::)

you live in FL right?

How about we go ROC at loudon?

yes you only race there 3 time, but Daytona are national races and everyone usually come. Homestead is regional race at the end of the country, no one is going to give up a home region weekend and $1000 extra to come for practice. So you race there 3 times and I race there 0 times.

Its an easy track to learn? how would you like to learn a track after driving about 26 hours? how easy would it be then? (it wouldn't be bad if others have raced there 3 times more than me this year. Plus are there track days that you can get track time? there is none for daytona)

Like I said, if you ever been to loudon to race and know you are not going to compete with the local guys, then you will know what I mean.

When I have a problem with a given situation, I don't want to be called "whining". Thank you
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: WebCrush on March 24, 2004, 04:21:11 PM
QuoteHow about we go ROC at loudon?


Thats a great idea!! :D :D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Xian_13 on March 24, 2004, 04:47:41 PM
Grrr....

Not that I have any desire to run at Daytona... but I have even less desire to run at homestead!

If the race has to be run in Oct, why not Vegas's new track.. or Mid-Ohio
Or even better yet... isn't there a new track in IL?

Looks like I won't be going to ROC, yet again :P
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ScubaSteve on March 24, 2004, 05:26:37 PM
  Like i said before i would go anywhere to race it. it doesnt bother me one bit. If it was at daytona i probably wasnt going to go. As for learning tracks after driving for ever i did it for almost 10 years racing motocross it goes along with the sport. I plan on traveling alot this year so i guess ill be learning alot of tracks after driving long distances and i do plan on competing witht the local guys.Theres always going to be someone that has home track advantage just makes it even better when u beat them!! As far as track days they dont have any either!! :'(  As we all know us Florida guys are going to win anyways!! ;D I have never raced RA  but i plan on going there in July to get ready for the GNF!!  Come down here in June and see the track so what if you miss a few regionals to save money.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: scottg22 on March 24, 2004, 05:36:42 PM
Guys,

I am sure at this time of the year (or the time that CCS learned that Daytona was being renovated) that tracks like Barber & VIR were all ready booked.  Sure the Florida guys have an advantage, but thats part of the challenge.  Think of it this way, a guy from the MidWest shows up and wins a couple of National Championships over the local homeboys is BIG news!  It will be an even bigger accomplishment.

For those of us that travel the FUSA circuit, its part of the fun.  Showing up to a regional track for a National event and beating them (or attempting to beat them).  

No matter where the event is held, someone somewhere is going to complain that it isnt located in the right track or part of the country.   The CCS races in Dec are well populated (read: Good Grids) and I am sure the ROC will be well attended.

I have never been there and look forward to the event.

Scott Greenwood
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ScubaSteve on March 24, 2004, 05:41:56 PM

  Yes the december races are packed and i agree scott part of the fun is beating people at there own track!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 24, 2004, 06:32:58 PM
     As far as track availabilty goes, everyone is talking weekends, why not (for the ROC only) have the event during the week and leave the weekend before and after for traveling? This would probably make alot more tracks available for the event. I imagine that most everyone takes at least a week off work for the ROC, so the mid-week format would work fine, and still allow the track to have events the weekends before and after our event (with other organizations).

     Weather is definately an issue at the end of October for most of the country, places like RA or Loudon would be statistically rather cold. I personally think Barber would be awesome for the ROC, and it's alot more reasonable of a location for the majority of people who would attend. As far as Homestead goes, I would probably go, but it would definately be lacking as compared to the normal ROC/Biketoberfest combination.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 24, 2004, 06:41:54 PM
Thanks for chimen in Scott, and congrats again on your well deserved Championships last year on the FUSA circuit.  
Scott said it well...someone from another region, such as the midwest or even CRA regulars come down and do what they do, win. It doesn't matter where you are from, that is the true challenge. To run well at any track any day under any conditions..
Stumpy, what was all the buz prior to ROC.... Dafan
and I razzed eachother quite a bit all in good fun, but nobody down there expected any of us to do well.
The cream rises to the top in any sport... so wherever
ROC happens,  we will come, and there is no better advantage to doing well than to prepare. Besides,
A smaller track will make things more interesting.
what's 4 more hours when you are dealing with 22 to begin with?

Benj.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Super_KC124 on March 24, 2004, 06:41:56 PM
I don't think they're too concerned about the weather. We have a race in Topeka Ks. November 14th. :P Hey. Topeka. Now there's a good place for the ROC! ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on March 24, 2004, 06:54:40 PM
So what about Laguna?

Curious as to why on the East coast?  is the majority of CCS racers/racing on the East coast?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 24, 2004, 07:01:15 PM
QuoteSo what about Laguna?

Curious as to why on the East coast?  is the majority of CCS racers/racing on the East coast?

     I have heard that Laguna has some morons that moved near the track and are now complaining about noise and traffic! Apparently they had some influence in local government and were able to get the number of events held there restricted. That's the reason that they combine the WSB and AMA events there so as to use the tracks limited number of available events as efficiently as possible.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 07:21:45 PM
I, am certainly no scott. I wasn't even lil thorny enough to beat him!  ;D So I am not going to do well with Homestead change. So I will pretty much certain we will not go. I was never the one to go fast from day 1. I don't have a lot of talent, I don't go on the track and ride fast. I am a learner. It takes time for me to understand the track and what I am supposed to do. This is a temporary move, so I don't have to learn Homestead, and if I want to, it will take more than 2-3 days. So I have my reasons.

We already talked and are looking at the WERA schedules. I am not making any money racing, and I don't think I will be any time soon, so I am going to spend my money and get the most out of it. I enjoy going to bikeweek and biketoberfest. So do a few others. I think now I will just choose and go to the events I want to go, regardless of the series.

Scott will go anywhere because that is his commitment. He want a championship again. I don't, because I am nowhere near it.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 24, 2004, 07:24:16 PM
Just for the record, weather in October in the SE US, including VIR & Barber, is generally stable and dry (except for the odd tropical storm).  Normally the best riding weather all year.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 07:27:52 PM
by the way, as an AM I would go and attempt to beat the local fast guys. As a EX, I know I need time to learn and get faster, and the thought of paying out of my butt and get left after 2 laps does not sound like very rewarding at the moment.

I guess I will be doing a lot of trackdays and try to improve this year. Will be back as a fast guy next year.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 24, 2004, 07:28:22 PM
I rode last year at VIR in Oct/Nov. very pleasant
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Steviebee on March 24, 2004, 07:50:18 PM
FUCKING BRILLIANT !!!!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: dahustler on March 24, 2004, 08:08:33 PM
Anyone from the Midwest need their bikes towed to Road Atlanta for the GNF's Email me cause that's where I'll be.
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Post by: CCSRACER123CCS on March 24, 2004, 09:09:43 PM
I live in California so it doesn't matter to me where it is. I like the fact that it is at Homestead because you don't ahve to be 16, I don't think at least. I just hope that it will be the weeknd before or after the GNF because that way I only make one trip out to the East coast. Maybe CCS will think of that when setting or trying to set a date????
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GAMEDIC on March 24, 2004, 10:27:55 PM
I will not be going this year... there is no way i'm driving that far..i can't see how some of you would drive even more than me i live in N Ga and i think it is to far ...not to mentiong the fact that we have no other time to race it at all... RA or VIR  or even Barber would be great... or maybe even a little more west would be in the middle more than way down there in Fl... i am curious as to what the reason was and why we didn't have any say in it at all
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Mark Bernard on March 24, 2004, 10:48:36 PM
Wisconson's pretty in the fall....
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: DanO966 on March 24, 2004, 11:24:29 PM
Uhhh let's have it a BlackHawk....lol
We'll dodge the snow and the crappy weather... ;) ;)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 25, 2004, 02:56:45 AM
Lord, I can't believe all the whining....

CCS has contracted itself to Daytona International Speedway.  Their alternative is to use the Homestead facility.  Really, it sounds pretty reasoable.  Weather might be warmer.  

I've never been there, but like Scott Greenwood said, that's the way it is.  You go to these races to beat people.  Nicky Hayden went to Europe not knowing the tracks.  I went to Laguna in 1992 for the first time no knowing the track.  Loudon in 1993, etc.

Racers race.

We should have been asked for an opinion?  

AHRMA asks everyones opinion on everything.  And that series is a mess and a virtual shell of what it used to be.  Someone has to make command decisions.  I've butted heads with Kevin Elliott on things that we disagreed with.  And that's fine.  Kevin is more than able to take responsibility for the decisions that need to be made.  

A couple of years ago, the Midwest banquet was held in a place that was decided upon by more of a committee decision.  Most people were NOT happy with the outcome.

I would have been fine to race at Daytona, but we can't.  Slide on the ice, the contracts have been signed for ROC at Daytona, the alternative IS Homestead.  
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: james-redsv on March 25, 2004, 03:47:40 AM
Another reason not to have it in S.Fla in Oct, Hurricanes.  :o :o
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: TreyBone on March 25, 2004, 05:48:49 AM
Huricanes Rule ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: zracer196 on March 25, 2004, 06:12:23 AM
Again, for those going to go or are thinking about it...

Homestead is a GREAT track!  Penguin (Eric / Jeff Wood) always come down in Dec.  I am sure they will vouch on the track.  The only problem I see (and it may not be due to the responses) is the size of the track.  I can't see 60+ bike on it at once...Also great garages!  Top notch!

For those who can't...Sorry, but Dave said it best...They are CONTRACTED with DIS...They have no choice.

I can tell you I cannot wait to go back to the RENOVATED Daytona in March 2005!  Will be nice!

See you there who come!

Mark Z.

CCS #196 Ex
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: cstem on March 25, 2004, 06:18:44 AM
First, to all you sissies who "won't drive that far" etc. etc.- Give me a break!!  The Pacific and SW regions have been driving to Daytona for years and years, not to mention a lot of the GP region folks.  What is another six hours.  You spoiled brats.

Second, I would rather the ROC be held somewhere mor centrally located, somewhere that is not raced regionally (I defintely agree on this point).

Third, as an option to number two- what about holding the ROC on the West Side! (in my best gangbanger voice) like say Las Vegas in the speedway? Maybe alternate the years.  More of you east coast riders need to make it out west to check out our talent, many of which cannot afford or choose not to spend the money to go that far east.  

Lastly-  Remember, this is only for one year (Homeystead) and is due to construction.  So that means Daytona should be better next year right?

Hope to see a few easterners at Vegas for the FUSA race. Come on out, it will be fun and I think you will like the track.  And then you can all gang up on me for my comments on this site!!  LOL  :o
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 25, 2004, 07:13:11 AM
you know what, sissies, whiners, other choice words, call what you wish :D doesn't change the fact that tens of thousands of dollars are going to be pulled from CCS's pocket.

thats a fact, if thats whining, then so be it... I like whining anyway, get you noticed  :P
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Mark Bernard on March 25, 2004, 07:25:47 AM
I am somewhat disapointed that the ROC will not be at DIR this year. It would have been my first time there. However, I have no problem with going to Homestead. All my family lives down in Fl. so it won't make much of a differance to me either way. Biggest differance for me is that my family lives 45 min from DIR. I am going to need a place to stay while I am at Homestead. Not a big deal tho. Racers can complain all they want, but it's not going to change the fact that it's going to be at Homestead this time. So suck it up, deal with it, or dont go. Simple as that!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 07:30:26 AM
The press release about the renovations makes no mention of repaving anything, namely the infield...

I don't see why they wouldn't take this opportunity to make it even MO-BETTA for the "participants". Looks like a cool 'upgrade' for the fans & teams tho.  :D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: mmills416 on March 25, 2004, 07:57:15 AM
I dont know if the grid sizes will be that much of an issue.  I think last year in december there were like 750 entries at the race.  Homestead has always been a huge event in the florida region.  It always the largest when Penguin is here.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C moved!!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 25, 2004, 09:10:26 AM
Quoteyou know what, sissies, whiners, other choice words, call what you wish :D doesn't change the fact that tens of thousands of dollars are going to be pulled from CCS's pocket.

Not sure if that will necessarily happen.

I'm sure that Daytona International Speedway understands the position that all of the bodies involved, there are others that will have to go to Homestead...not just CCS/FUSA, and I would bet that the pricing might be done accordingly to the body.

BERZERKER...Why you cryin' that the sky is fallin' sayin' that ROC is canceled?  It's not canceled;  it will have been moved.

And Mr Stem...I will be out at Vegas...Scott Greenwood too from this thread, I'm sure...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 25, 2004, 09:14:18 AM
I am talking about revenue loss from people who will now probably not compete a full season with CCS. I know of 3-4 already.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C Moved !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 25, 2004, 09:26:40 AM
QuoteI am talking about revenue loss from people who will now probably not compete a full season with CCS. I know of 3-4 already.

Are you kidding?

LOL!

I mean, I race because I am a racer and I enjoy racing.  So, I race.  Daytona has certainly not been the end all of road courses...it's far from that.  I'd like to race Brands Hatch or some place like that.

But sacking a full season because of the loss of Daytona?  I'd say that they needed a reason not to do their whole series.  Afterall, not everyone competes in the whole season anyway.

Just my random thoughts...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 09:34:46 AM
Dave, what I think he means is. They will/may still race, but why race WITH CCS ALL YEAR if you may have a shot at regional, but no chance whatsoever at a national because it's ran at another regional track that you don't know. I get his point. Dump all your money into CCS going for a championship, win or not, but get to the national and not have a chance in hell... OOOORR, race with another organization and have a chance at a regional AND the national. It's not an excuse not to RACE, but a reason to not put X amount of $ into CCS's pocket. I for one am just in it for track time this year, but at the same time I'm going to concentrate on CCS in a few specific classes, just to see how I stand-up/progress for the year. A measurement tool if you will... Maybe next year I'll be up to speed enough to attempt a run at a regional and/or national. If I do go to ROC-Homestead, it's only because I have family in FL who wanted to watch me race Daytona, so no big deal for them, just an extra bit of driving for me.  Plus... it does look like a pretty cool track. Count me in for the practice day to learn it AMAP before the races.  :)

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C Moved !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 25, 2004, 09:48:16 AM
I sent Benji to Daytona without ever being to the track.  He won.

I sent Matt Gerard a couple of years ago without ever seeing the track.  He won.

It will happen with others in the future too.

There were a lot of guys that had been to Daytona before these guys, so they knew the track, but they didn't win.  

I understand, but it's not a really good excuse in my book.  

Yeah, when I did FUSA at Daytona this year, I had my pics on who was going to win, but it still didn't change my mind on racing.  

Back to those simple words...

Racers race.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: motomadness on March 25, 2004, 10:01:22 AM
Think of the big picture.  If you want a National championship in CCS, go to the ROC where ever it may be.  If you want to try and win a National race, compete in your nearest FUSA event.  

In a winner take all format, just because you win the race, doesn't really mean you were the best all year, like in the Regional class championships, or the FUSA class championships.  If all you can afford is a Regional campaign, then be happy with that.  Everything else is gravy.  If you apsire to reach higher height, know that it definitely requires greater sacrifices.

I'll go if that's what I want to do for myself and my team.  Personally, I feel that CCS's / CCE's lawyers need to stay on top on these kinds of activities and disseminate information to members about what is on the horizon prior to the season beginning.  The same kind of thing happened last year with the FUSA race at Road America.  It was known long in advance of the event what was potentially going to happen.  In the end, many of us went to Topeka and many did not.  That's how championships are won some times.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C Moved !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 10:36:40 AM
QuoteBack to those simple words...
Racers race.


I agree.  ;) Hell, Daytona (a few wks ago) was my 4th race (or 5th, if you count the weekend I took my school ::)), and 1st race there, and if I was an Amateur I would have won all my races according to the lap times...well, and take out the mechanical I had  :-/

I knew I didn't have a chance being that I'm now an expert. I didn't set any goals of placings. I could hardly even set a laptime goal... I was there to race, have fun, and to survive Daytona. I succeeded. :)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: zracer196 on March 25, 2004, 11:53:45 AM
Another point...Of those complaining... :)

Would you have won a NATIONAL championship at Daytona anyway?  Maybe so, but I don't think so...So maybe instaed of a 20th at Daytona, you'd get a 30th at Homestead.

Not trying to be rude...But keep it realistic... ;)

My .02

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C Moved !!!!
Post by: StuartV666 on March 25, 2004, 11:59:46 AM
QuoteRacers race.

Yeah, but they don't necessarily race with CCS.

Personally, I'm hoping to be back on track well before the ROC. I know I will have no chance in Heck of a National Championship. But, if the ROC were someplace like Road Atlanta, Barber, or No Problem Raceway (near New Orleans), then I would probably still go to it - to race. But there's just about zero chance I'd go to Homestead.

I suspect that there are a whole lot of people like me - ones who figure we have no chance at winning a race at the ROC, for whatever reason - that would go some place more central, but won't go to Homestead. Maybe the attendance at the ROC will lose those people and make up for it with increased attendance from people that live closer to Miami. Maybe not.

Regardless, I've been saying for a long time now, that the ROC should be moved and this seems like the perfect opportunity. Think about the possibilities that would be opened up if it were at Road Atlanta the week before or after the GNF.

For the racers, it would be an opportunity to (more)easily compete in both, if you wanted to. And on a track that is more "like" the normal tracks we race at all season (i.e. it doesn't give such a big advantage to horsepower - how fair is it to run up front all year in Unl. SS on a 600 then have to go to Daytona to compete for the National Championship?). And Road Atlanta is a lot closer, on average, for the participants.

For the fans, I think Road Atlanta provides a MUCH more enjoyable spectating experience.

For the manufacturers, having a 2 week long series of national championship races in one spot certainly makes it seem inviting to go to the time and expense to have demo rides and real displays of bikes and accessories. In other words, I would think all the manufacturer and vendor participation that you see at Daytona now would be greatly magnified just because of the significantly increased bang for the buck of their participation.

For everybody, besides reduced traveling costs to get there, you can actually get a hotel room near Road Atlanta without having to sacrifice a small child as partial payment.

For CCS, well, I haven't seen the contract myself, but somehow I doubt that CCS doesn't have an "out" clause if ISC can't provide the contracted facility (i.e. Daytona). In other words, I bet CCS can get out of whatever contract they have if Daytona isn't going to be available for the scheduled dates. And going to Road Atlanta ought to be cheaper for CCS as well. It's not nearly as far for them, either.

Finally, before somebody brings up the weather in norther GA in October, I will say that I've raced at Daytona *many* times when it was frickin' cold and pouring rain. Look at what the weather has been for the last few Bike Weeks and Biketoberfests. If we could race in those conditions, I have no fears at all about Road Atlanta in mid- or late-October.

- Stu
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: zracer196 on March 25, 2004, 12:05:16 PM
I'd vote for Road "A" as well...Another GREAT track!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: TreyBone on March 25, 2004, 12:57:06 PM
Well Well Well,.... Who woke Stu up from the dead? ;)

When will I see you at the track dude?

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 25, 2004, 01:12:46 PM
excuses are excuses, reasons are reasons.

I don't need an excuse to not going to a particular place to race. I don't need to complain either.

I am just saying its a reason for quite a few people who will now modify their season plans. I am not asking anyone for opinions on what I should do. I will go race somewhere when I feel like it, and I won't go if I don't feel like it. I am a racer, and I race. And I race where and when I decide. No excuses needed.

And all I am saying is that a few people are not going to try to follow the entire series, and drive to east bumble... to get a good spot at the ROC. So, they are going to stay around closer to home or following a different series. Right now it looks like a perfect timing to check out RA.

and remember, I am not asking for anyone to agree with me here  :o just telling like it is. so you don't have agree, but it doesn't change anything  ;)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C Moved !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 25, 2004, 01:17:55 PM
QuoteAre you kidding?

LOL!

I mean, I race because I am a racer and I enjoy racing.  So, I race.  Daytona has certainly not been the end all of road courses...it's far from that.  I'd like to race Brands Hatch or some place like that.

But sacking a full season because of the loss of Daytona?  I'd say that they needed a reason not to do their whole series.  Afterall, not everyone competes in the whole season anyway.

Just my random thoughts...

sacking a full season with CCS is what I mean. I was playing with the idea of following the full season and now its out of the window. personal reasons for wanting to go back to daytona, its a tradition now. But now no need to. I have no interest in going to Homestead. I don't care how nice it is, it is not a track that I have been dying to get on (I suspect the same for many others) and if we only going to race there once I think I can spend the same amount of money and actually go do a track day at Brands Hatch (yes, based on what I spend at ROC, it would be about right).

So with going to Homestead out of the question, I am opened to new possibilities. I will go race, but I now have no good reason to strictly follow a serie. So people are not going to drag themselves to races that are hard on them if there is no reason to, since you are not going to go for a championship anyway.

and I am not just talking about myself. My chances of winning ROC is remote. But I do know fast AM's may just consider something else because of this...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GAMEDIC on March 25, 2004, 01:41:29 PM
This is my first year as an EX i have no hope in hell of doing anything other than getting track time..lol... and if the ROC were not all the way down there i would go...but there is no way i'm driving over 12 hours just for some track time on a track that i will never race on again... unles i start driving for NASCAR ;D... RD A would be perfect and no not because it's only 2 hours from me.. but it'a a better all around track and you are not racing against HP you really have to race against the other riders. so i am not bias because i am on a 1000 so i have the HP but i would much rather run RD A than Homstead or Daytona for that matter
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCSRacer114 on March 25, 2004, 01:47:09 PM
Quote...but there is no way i'm driving over 12 hours just for some track time on a track that i will never race on again... unles i start driving for NASCAR ;D... RD A would be perfect and no not because it's only 2 hours from me.. but it'a a better all around track and you are not racing against HP you really have to race against the other riders. so i am not bias because i am on a 1000 so i have the HP but i would much rather run RD A than Homstead or Daytona for that matter

I really think you should look at the track layout for Homestead for motorcycles first.  HP won't win it for you there.

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 01:51:47 PM
Road A would be cool. CCS doesn't go there and WERA doesn't often either (for those who race both series), so it does provide a rather even playing field for all. And the fact that it's a road course is a plus IMO.

Good points made Stu!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 25, 2004, 03:33:23 PM
Ah, all the info coming out this time...

Didn't we have lists of complaints about why ROC shouldn't be at Daytona.

Now it's not going to be.

Road America not a horsepower track?  LOL!  It's longer than Daytona and it has four straightaways...LOL!

And regional riders get to go there a whole lot.

And just forget it because the likelyhood of reasonable weather in Wisconsin that close to Lake Michigan would make it a bust.  Not to mention, if it was held there, RA would raise the price so much that the cost would be through the roof...the reason why the FUSA race was canceled there last year...the event would have lost AT LEAST $40k given the best FUSA/CCS attendence.

Phoenix...I've been there, and I don't think that place is suitable for motorcycles.  Wasn't in 1993 or 1994.  The banking is so shallow that we were destroying front tires on 600's back then.

Homestead will cost me more in fuel money.  I don't know the parking lots that I can stay in.  it will be interesting.

I won't get a chance to go there until whenever the event is.  Yeah, it will be harder than Daytona in that I know my gearing, I know the track, etc.  But that's that.  

For those that had committed to the FUSA series....

This is one of the reasons why motorcycle racing is so lame...committments by some riders and teams is rather loose.  Until it is taken with some seriousness, how could you expect support and sponsorship to flow into the series?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 03:39:58 PM
"Road America not a horsepower track?  LOL!  It's longer than Daytona and it has four straightaways...LOL! "


woops... I thought we were talking about Road Atlanta. :-[
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 25, 2004, 03:49:34 PM
     SuperDave, the hot topic has been about going to RA (Road Atlanta), not RA (Road America), but that's an easy mistake to have made.

     So ya wanna go to HP? MJ isn't going after all, so I'm going it alone. Just saw you mention the thought earlier on a different thread.

     I personally don't have a problem with Daytona, even if it isn't about skill, but more about power. I can also see why CCS goes there when they do, it's pretty obvious that it's because of the massive motorcycle gatherings at that time at Daytona. I would imagine that DIS wants something motorcycle related going on at the track at that time also, even if it's not profitable like NASCAR. I think the home track advantage would be much less at RA (Road Atlanta) than Homestead, but I would probably go to either.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Bling on March 25, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
Road America  Road Atlanta  "220-221" :)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: throttle on March 25, 2004, 06:38:45 PM
Road Atlanta sounds like an even playing field, but could the riders support the $
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on March 25, 2004, 06:44:01 PM
I gotta agree with everything Super Dave's said here.

Really... if the whole reason for racing regionals is just to race in the ROC, win 1 race to be called a 'champion'  then why even race regionals?
Just do some track days, and do 1 weekend at homestead and then just do the ROC there, win and be called a national champion.

Why not just race FUSA is that's what you're going for?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Super_KC124 on March 25, 2004, 07:19:08 PM
Because you have to race the regionals not to start on the back row! ;)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: spyderchick on March 25, 2004, 07:31:21 PM
QuoteJust do some track days, and do 1 weekend at homestead and then just do the ROC there, win and be called a national champion.
quote]
It has been done.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 07:32:39 PM
Mike... what exactly are you agreeing with? The last 5 posts (or so) from Super Dave are vs. the "whining". (which has what to do with the rest of your post  ???)I don't know what YOUR reason for racing regionals is/would be, but first you have to look at how CCS is setup (which you already know, but are asking as if you don't). It's not the best setup IMO, considering you COULD do exactly what you said and be considered a 'national champion'. But given the current way CCS runs their series, a meaningful goal for the year (IMO) would be to win your respective regional championship in xxx class(es), then show up at ROC to go for the national champ.
Dave's been giving his personal opinion/thoughts vs other's opinions/thoughts on the move of the ROC...so what exactly are you saying by stating you agree with him?

I guess we could start regressing to the arguement about how the ROC is set up in the first place. Make it a championship round for all regions, much like it's the opening round for all regions. Highest points after the last race (regardless of location) wins the nat champ. just like AMA. tie? refer to highest P.I.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 25, 2004, 08:03:46 PM
QuoteFor those that had committed to the FUSA series....

This is one of the reasons why motorcycle racing is so lame...committments by some riders and teams is rather loose.  Until it is taken with some seriousness, how could you expect support and sponsorship to flow into the series?

I don't, I have more and more insight everyday I am involved in the industry. I am giving up on that. I will just support myself and try to get support and sponsorship to flow into my program other than the series. It is not going to happen as it.

Loose? I think the whole show is rather loose. The schedule thing about Topeka (which I have nothing of interest to say), the fact that I learn about the relocation of ROC on squid messageboards first, and 1000 other reasons. Everything is rather loose. So it seems that nothing is very serious in this thing except how serious we are about racing.

and I finally figured out, I am just serious about racing and riding and bettering myself. I am not serious about racing with any organization. I can become a better rider without racing.

And until someone take my opinions and my voice seriously (obviously it is not right now, even by you and most others) I am not going to take anything too seriously either. Commit to a series? There are about 10 different things that CCS/FUSA told me that will happen last year that is not happening. Until they commit to their customers, I don't see how I can commit to them.

Why is there a point fund for Team Owners now? I wanted to register and they told me there won't be a fund. Now there is. And it is too late to get the number I wanted?

I wanted to offer a contingency program and I heard once from CCS/FUSA and no one answered to my replies?

I wanted to see if I can joint effort into promoting the racing series and my own program and no one ever reply to me?

I wanted to have our licensing school offer vouchers to race entries so people will come and race CCS instead of WERA after they finish the class and get the license cert, and no one writes me back.

come on, who's taking who seriously? please enlighten me
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on March 25, 2004, 08:15:52 PM
QuoteMike... what exactly are you agreeing with? The last 5 posts (or so) from Super Dave are vs. the "whining".

yes, I'm just agreeing about the whining. Maybe I read some of the posts wrong, but my first thoughts and what some of the posts sounded like were, "The ROC's too far, and since I'm not going, maybe I just won't race as much or try as hard this year." As Dave said.. almost sounds like a cop-out as in this post...

Quote....But sacking a full season because of the loss of Daytona?  I'd say that they needed a reason not to do their whole series.  Afterall, not everyone competes in the whole season anyway.


QuoteIt's not the best setup IMO, considering you COULD do exactly what you said and be considered a 'national champion'.

I totally agree!

QuoteBut given the current way CCS runs their series, a meaningful goal for the year (IMO) would be to win your respective regional championship in xxx class(es), then show up at ROC to go for the national champ.

I agree also. Yea, I guess that everyone has their reasons for racing. I'm just kinda rambling and thinking out loud. :) I just think winning 1 race for a championship is kinda silly and 'hollow'. However that may be too strong of a word. I'd rather say I beat the same people over and over at 5 different tracks, than say I beat these guys 1 time at 1 track, and at a 'HP' track at that. And no, I've never been to Daytona, and no, I'll probably never win a CCS National Championship.

I don't know, just think it's kinda silly that people are already giving up on the season, just b/c the ROC moved to a different track and knowing they're not going to it. But as I said, everyone has their reasons for racing.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GAMEDIC on March 25, 2004, 08:50:52 PM
QuoteRoad Atlanta sounds like an even playing field, but could the riders support the $
what do you mean? I'm sure that Daytona is LOTS more to rent than RD A
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GregR6 on March 25, 2004, 09:13:10 PM
Cool Mike... :)
 I think in the end we will all just agree to disagree, because we all have different goals and/or reasons for racing where..when..why...whatever. But, we all love racing, right?
The best thing for me this year would be some consistency from CCS since I've already devoted nearly 2k (all said and done) for Daytona. So far, it seems like that consistency is there, and will be for the rest of the season. The ROC stuff isn't a big deal really, but it doesn't affect my goals/reasons-to-race like it may some others.

It'd be nice to do the Road A(tlanta) thing, but CCS will do what they gotta do... I still like Stu's comments... ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Bad_Matt on March 25, 2004, 10:51:25 PM
I made the trip last year to Daytona.  Neat track.  had fun-  Four days out, four days there, three days home.  I am not too interested in doing that ever again.  If this club is going to continue to hold the championship race in Florida every year, it will not be respective of all the distant regions.  Move it to a new location each year.

My votes for this year-

Las Vegas-  Speedway course.  Not run by any region.  more centrally located, and the room rates are a bit better than Daytona during Biketober (what do you mean they are racing on the track) fest.  

Laguna Seca-  Great road course.  Not run by any region.  Tough to get by the noise restrictions.  Worht the time and effort if we could get it.

Infineon (Sear's Point)-  run by the AFM, newly paved-  weather is still good in October.  Not run by the CCS affiliates.

Texas Motor Speedway-  Centrally located, but, I hear "them boys in Texas is fast".  They would have home turf and kick "all-yalls"  asses.  

Road Atlanta-  Too bad the Gravity Cavity is gone.  


No vote for Homstaed-  why on earth would I want to add to my trip from the west Coast to head there?

WERA west is looking more and more apealing to me for next season.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C moved !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 26, 2004, 02:12:22 AM
Historically, WERA's GNF has always been held at Road Atlanta.

Historically, CCS's ROC has always been held at Daytona International Speedway.

These things might never change.

Have either of them at a different track?

Laguna...small track.  Honestly, how many on the board have raced there?  I have, and I use Blackhawk gearing there.

Sears is small too.

Vegas, haven't been there, but I will have after the FUSA race.

Honestly, as I've stated over and over on posts for a couple of years now, there are few tracks that can support the volume of riders that should be attending such an event.  I have raced at the WERA GNF.  I was in the last turn for the start of a race.  Even at Road America, a very, very big race track that could support such an event, large grids will have riders gridded down the hill where you can barely see the starter.

Chance for a national championship?  Well, obviously, FEW ever have the chance.  How many amateur middleweight supersport national champions did CCS have last year?  One.  How many riders competed?  A whole lot.  Having any kind of chance to win a championship requires many things.  First, the rider must actually compete.  After that, luck, hard work, tires, gas...and probably some blood and more hard work...add more luck.  I haven't won a CCS National Championship myself.  Everyone has a "chance".  But only one person will win.  If you really don't ride well, you're certainly not going to win...and this still is a competition where, potentially, the guy that's the fastest should win.

Daytona a HP track?  Yeah, but it still takes skill.  DiSalvo did a sub 1:51 lap time at Daytona...on his 600.  Maybe it makes 125HP, but it still had DOT tires.  Bostrom's are faster on Superbikes, but they are puttin out 200HP with the best slicks available on the face of the earth with totally unobtainium suspension components.

You wanna talk about HP?  Go buy a vintage motorcycle like a CB450 and race AHRMA.  That's where you can be virtually assured that you won't win.  With an ailing ignition, I still raced.  The bike builder/curator/etc. told me that he didn't expect me to better than xth place...I really didn't care because I was still there to race and try to the best of my ability to put it up front.

As for CCS notifying anyone about ROC...I don't think the paint is dry on anything.  Yeah, there was a lot of talk for some time, but the Daytona International Speedway board had to give the go ahead on the project before anything was solid.  Well, now the board has approved.  For those of you that have been to Daytona, you know how the security people are there...the DIS board is kind of the same way.  If Kevin Elliott didn't exactly know what, when, or where things were going to be...how could he tell "everyone"?  There still isn't a solid date.

The internet allows information to travel very quickly, to say the least.  Sometimes in business, things have to actually be discussed between people, some time needs to go by between some people for decisions to be made.

Dafan, as for you getting information about sponsorship contingency, team owner fund (there isn't a team owner fund, just a team owner program and a series point fund), etc...  I don't have answers on that.  I'm facinated that the folder we got our license and rule book in had some ads in it...but I wasn't contacted about being part of that myself either.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hooter31 on March 26, 2004, 07:28:02 AM
SUPER DAVE,IF YOU'RE GOING TO SLEEP IN YOUR TRUCK AT HOMESTED BRING A WEPON WITH YOU...I HAVE BEEN SLEEPING IN MY HOTEL ROOM AND  WOKE UP TO THE SOUND OF GUNSHOTS..IT IS NOT A NICE NIEGHBORHOOD
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GSXR RACER MIKE on March 26, 2004, 07:38:31 AM
QuoteSUPER DAVE,IF YOU'RE GOING TO SLEEP IN YOUR TRUCK AT HOMESTED BRING A WEPON WITH YOU...I HAVE BEEN SLEEPING IN MY HOTEL ROOM AND  WOKE UP TO THE SOUND OF GUNSHOTS..IT IS NOT A NICE NIEGHBORHOOD


     I remember seeing somewhere that southern Florida has 1 of the highest crime rates in the country, I believe that it was nearby Miami that was recently #1 on the national list for the country.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C moved !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 26, 2004, 07:51:23 AM
OH MY LORD!  REASONS NOT TO GO!



LOL, ok, so I need to travel out of town or something to park.  At least I know now.

What are the pit areas like?

Have to have garages or something like DIS with Nextel Cup NSACAR and Busch coming there.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Rawrider on March 26, 2004, 08:32:21 AM
QuoteI made the trip last year to Daytona.  Neat track.  had fun-  Four days out, four days there, three days home.  I am not too interested in doing that ever again.  If this club is going to continue to hold the championship race in Florida every year, it will not be respective of all the distant regions.  Move it to a new location each year.

My votes for this year-

Las Vegas-  Speedway course.  Not run by any region.  more centrally located, and the room rates are a bit better than Daytona during Biketober (what do you mean they are racing on the track) fest.  

Laguna Seca-  Great road course.  Not run by any region.  Tough to get by the noise restrictions.  Worht the time and effort if we could get it.

Infineon (Sear's Point)-  run by the AFM, newly paved-  weather is still good in October.  Not run by the CCS affiliates.

Texas Motor Speedway-  Centrally located, but, I hear "them boys in Texas is fast".  They would have home turf and kick "all-yalls"  asses.  

Road Atlanta-  Too bad the Gravity Cavity is gone.  


No vote for Homstaed-  why on earth would I want to add to my trip from the west Coast to head there?

WERA west is looking more and more apealing to me for next season.

I totally agree!! The western regions get no love! Oh and Dave, Formula USA is scheduled for the classic  course(outside the main track) not the Speedway course(inside and much nicer). According to the posted schedule. I vote for Bouncing the National around. You will always have some who'll complain no matter where it is.....  .02
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: StuartV666 on March 26, 2004, 11:40:43 AM
QuoteIt'd be nice to do the Road A(tlanta) thing, but CCS will do what they gotta do... I still like Stu's comments... ;D

Thanks! Me too! :-) Apparently, nobody else has bothered to read them, or cares to address them.

I think CCS has done this to restore the balance to the Force that was lost when WERA heaped on a bunch more money this year, in the form of "extra cost" transponders. I guess too many riders were jumping ship to CCS, and CCS needed to do something to make an equal number of riders jump ship to WERA.  :o

- Stu
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: StuartV666 on March 26, 2004, 11:43:41 AM
QuoteWell Well Well,.... Who woke Stu up from the dead? ;)

When will I see you at the track dude?


Heh heh. I'm just glad to be here!  :D

I'm back to riding my dirt bike and my street bike. But I still have one more surgery to go. Just waiting on my insurance company to get their act together to approve it before I can schedule it. I should be ready to get back on the track 2 - 3 months after the next surgery. Or, if they screw around long enough, I might make a track day or two before the surgery.  ;D

- Stu
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: GAMEDIC on March 26, 2004, 11:46:50 AM
Quote. Or, if they screw around long enough, I might make a track day or two before the surgery.  ;D

- Stu
watch yourself ;D we want you back...but we want you to STAY back...lol..not leave again
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C moved!!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 26, 2004, 04:19:04 PM
QuoteOh and Dave, Formula USA is scheduled for the classic  course(outside the main track) not the Speedway course(inside and much nicer). According to the posted schedule. I vote for Bouncing the National around. You will always have some who'll complain no matter where it is.....  .02
Complaining regardless...yeah.

I knew the Vegas FUSA race was on the classic course.  I see where I implied something I didn't mean from someones statement...

Bouncing the national event around...

Can it be done?  DIS was a big factor in getting CCS started.  The opportunity to have an event at a place like Daytona at the beginning of Bike Week and during Biketober Fest is potentially the best opportunity.  If CCS were to let it go, surely, someone else would come take it.  

When you don't renew those dates, they are hard to get back.  Sometimes impossible.  The Enduro cart guys go to DIS for their ROC gig right around Xmas...try telling your family every year that you'll be gone every Christmas...

Moving it around...we talked about this a lot months ago.  First, an appropriate track that has favorable weather at the aformentioned time (Oct/Nov) and is large enough to accomodate ROC size fields.  That should be grids of about 80 bikes.  You need one mile for every 20 to 25 bikes potentially to have a safe and reasonable density.

Road America is out because of weather, as is Brainerd.

You'd also need to get riders to show up.

By what I understand about the western CCS races, there aren't as many entries.  So, while a western ROC might be nice, I doubt that many from the Midwest would make it to Vegas or Phoenix at about 2000 miles. let alone Willow at further.  Add mileage to the hot beds of racing in the Northeast and the Southeast...

WERA hasn't moved their GNF.

Suzuki moved the Suzuki Cup Final from the WERA GNF once in like 1988 to California.  Was a bust attendance wise, I believe.  Moved back to Road Atlanta and has been there ever since.  Certainly, Mel Harris has had the offer to have it at other venues.

Regardless, for those that wanted a different venue, Homestead is actually different.  Yup, it'll cost me another six to seven hours to get to along with maybe $40 of diesel...

We'll see what it's like when I get there.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: BERZERKER on March 26, 2004, 07:58:47 PM
Rick, I was there with you remember? It's bad enough that the FL region has a reputation for getting your equipment stolen, but gunfights outside your hotel room adds a whole new dimension...
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hdpromos on March 27, 2004, 06:48:22 AM
Wow, "gun fights", "thieves", "puny grids", "isolation", "bad weather forcast"! :o Sounds like the Florida Region has it all at Homestead! But the truth of the matter is that "Berzerker" seems to have gone "Berzerk"! Seems he's got an "ax to grind"? ::)

HD
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: the_weggie_man on March 27, 2004, 10:13:11 AM
I didn't read this entire thread so if this has been brought up, sorry.

Daytona or I should say International Speedway Corporation owns Homestead. That simply is the reason the ROC has been moved there.

I know they own other tracks but do not know if any of them have a roadcourse.

On the subject of moving the ROC around the country. It would be a nightmare for CCS to do that. Once you have a date at a track you want to keep it because once you give it up, it may be gone forever.

I never really liked the idea of the ROC at Daytona. I feel it should be at a more rider friendly track rather than the horsepower emporium that is Daytona.  

For some reason CCS has/had an idea that going to Daytona is neat because it's such a great vacation destination. I would like to know how many racers actually use this as vacation rather than just another race weekend.  As noted in the press (www.roadracingworld.com) CCS states the move to Homestead is nice because it "provides a great vacation destination".  Seems they should ask Roger Edmondson about that since he lost over $20K of AMA money when a briefcase was stolen out of his car at the track.

If you go I suggest very strident security measures.
I don't think I'll be making the trip.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hdpromos on March 27, 2004, 10:25:09 AM
Gordon, pardon me if I may correct you. Roger Edmondson did not have his briefcase stolen out of his car at the AMA National in Miami in the early 90's. The briefcase was set down on the street by the AMA Director of racing at the time (whose name I can't recall). An accident happened and during that time the briefcase was lifted. I recall, because I happened to be speaking to Bill Boyce when it happened. I'm sure Roger would give you even more detail on that as he had nothing to do with it. It could happen anywhere, not just Miami.

HD
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: chris17 on March 27, 2004, 12:42:48 PM
Gunfights?  I've been to Homestead a few times and have never heard of any gunfights!!!  Never had any problems at all for that matter.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: hooter31 on March 27, 2004, 01:01:48 PM
ON A POSITIVE NOTE...THE TRACK IS AWESUM,THE GARAGES ARE NICE,YOU CAN GO ABOVE THE GARAGE AND BE IN THE STANDS AND SEE OVER 80% OF THE TRACK...AND IF YOU'RE GOING THERE, HOMESTED IS THE LAST TOWN BEFORE THE KEYS(GREAT VACATION PLACE)                                          
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 27, 2004, 04:14:08 PM
Like last year, I will be basing my decisions on the caliber of adult entertainment venues near the tracks that i attend. Blackhawk.. has "Diamond Jims"
where works the sweet Nicole.  lets not forget all the wonderful "Hooters" girls either. My goal this year is to bring them to the track.... ;D
Yes, I am a pig...but I race to have fun and I love
everything in between...So there. Daytona was a blast... Russ Voigt and I hung out with The Tuttles,
Jessie James, and Billy Lane...all at the "club"
Dafan...think about the women man....it's all about the fans!!! Chicks dig motorcycles....
Oh wait...this should be on another thread:
why I race.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Benji (Official Dave's Kid)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 27, 2004, 04:16:17 PM
Oh yeah, Roger(Hot Bodies) still owes me a front fender he lost to me in a pool match...
sorry for changing the subject guys ;D
Benj.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on March 27, 2004, 06:00:38 PM
QuoteLike last year, I will be basing my decisions on the caliber of adult entertainment venues near the tracks that i attend. Blackhawk.. has "Diamond Jims"
where works the sweet Nicole.  

 ;D ;D

Thought you had to be 21 to go into Diamond Jims/Isabella Queen? ;D Too bad Screamin Meemies closed (full nudie bar in Janesville owned by teh same guy who owns Diamond Jims) down. No alcohol was served so 18yr olds could 'enjoy'. ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 28, 2004, 08:00:38 AM
Rob...
I'm 30
Benj.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on March 28, 2004, 08:03:42 AM
QuoteRob...
I'm 30
Benj.


Ooops. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tinks I was tinking of the wrong guy. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 28, 2004, 02:19:43 PM
Anybody have a link for Homestead info?  The only website I could find Racemiami.com was updated in 2000...no map of the road course.

Can we camp inside the track, or are we kicked out ala DIS?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Eddie#200 on March 28, 2004, 05:44:02 PM
QuoteTHIS IS B.S.,HOMESTED IS A FL(only) REGION TRACK(not a track that host multiple regions)...IT SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A TRACK TO DECIDE NAT'L  CHAMPIONSHIPS.DON'T TAKE ME THE WRONG WAY,FL REGION HAS MANY VERY FAST RIDERS THAT COULD PROBABLY WIN AT ALMOST ANY TRACK. BUT TO HAVE THE FINALE AT HOMESTED WOULD DEFINITLY GIVE THEM AN ADVANTAGE...just my 2 cents(i live in fl and it would not be a problem to attend any track days or races, so my opion is not based on having to travel ).

I think this is awefull.  So, the Florida guys could be winning all of the trophies this year.  I think the ROC should be at Blackhawk. ;D


Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCSRacer114 on March 29, 2004, 04:07:33 AM
QuoteAnybody have a link for Homestead info?  The only website I could find Racemiami.com was updated in 2000...no map of the road course.

Can we camp inside the track, or are we kicked out ala DIS?

http://www.homesteadmiamispeedway.com/

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: quicktoy on March 29, 2004, 04:18:23 AM
Benji..u gotta go to miami for any descent strip clubs..my temamate, my girlfriend and i went to like 5 stip clubs one night back during the december race in the homestead area and they were the worst clubs id ever been to..fricken nasty ass girls and the shit was weird, since no one tips them on stage, they come asking for tips throughout the whole club when they get off stage


Homestead has beautiful ammenities though guys.   i know its an extra drive, but well worth it
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 29, 2004, 04:51:27 AM
Quotehttp://www.homesteadmiamispeedway.com/


I tried that one, but couldn't find a map of the roadcourse.  Also not able to view a trackmap through CCS webpage...just a logo where the map should be.
 



Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Peanut on March 29, 2004, 09:33:19 AM
you guys seems to whine alot imo..

why would someone back off ccs because of the roc?  don't get me wrong, i like my national trophy, but i worked hard all year for my regional ones.

i want more regional championships so i'm following ccs ma regional races, period.  why would a good rider bounce back and forth and just race whoever is closest if they want to win a championship?  they would need to stick to 1 or the other to be a factor.

if you don't have it at dis, any other track is someone's "home" turf even road atlanta.  with wera's race there and nesba now having 2 trackdays there, you can practice.  vir, barber, homestead, etc. everywhere else in the east someone will have a advantage.

am i happy about the roc being moved, no.  will it affect my attendance, it's to early to tell.  will it affect my regional decisions, hell no.

it seems to me, especially after reading a number of things from guys who have been around like sd, ccs, wera and ama have all made mistakes along the way but they are all we have.  it's not life or death whichever way you guys go, just make your decision and do it.

the whining gets a bit tiresome after a while.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 29, 2004, 12:03:48 PM
I posted a new thread looking for Homestead information...anybody know anything?
 http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccs1;action=display;num=1080573306
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 29, 2004, 04:35:01 PM
Scott, I know what you are saying, it's like they are little dirty street dogs begging for food.  I hope to make it to ROC this year, how far is Miami from there?  If I make it, you'll have to show me around  ;D

30.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 29, 2004, 04:36:59 PM
QuoteI think this is awefull.  So, the Florida guys could be winning all of the trophies this year.  I think the ROC should be at Blackhawk. ;D


Eddie, don't be such a whiner, just pretend like you are trying to catch me, and you will get a podium for sure ;) ;D :o 8) :P

Benj.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: zracer196 on March 29, 2004, 05:37:47 PM
Stay a 1/2 - 3/4 of an hour South...Key Largo!  I have stayed there and even gone diving on the same LONG weekend!  Plenty of places to rent a boat, etc...Nice place...

I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: r6_philly on March 29, 2004, 07:12:36 PM
Quoteyou guys seems to whine alot imo..

why would someone back off ccs because of the roc?  don't get me wrong, i like my national trophy, but i worked hard all year for my regional ones.

i want more regional championships so i'm following ccs ma regional races, period.  why would a good rider bounce back and forth and just race whoever is closest if they want to win a championship?  they would need to stick to 1 or the other to be a factor.

if you don't have it at dis, any other track is someone's "home" turf even road atlanta.  with wera's race there and nesba now having 2 trackdays there, you can practice.  vir, barber, homestead, etc. everywhere else in the east someone will have a advantage.

am i happy about the roc being moved, no.  will it affect my attendance, it's to early to tell.  will it affect my regional decisions, hell no.

it seems to me, especially after reading a number of things from guys who have been around like sd, ccs, wera and ama have all made mistakes along the way but they are all we have.  it's not life or death whichever way you guys go, just make your decision and do it.

the whining gets a bit tiresome after a while.

you don't have to read it :p I am kind of tired of people whining about other people whining. its a vicious circle, no one aint gonna stop. I feel like I have the right to say whatever I want to say, and people think its tiresome? what, we all living in china?

I couldn't care LESS about a regional championship, I just want to go fast and win races. I don't really want to commit to a club series anymore. I rather ride, have fun, go fast, thats all. Thats just me, so no need to get tight about it.

anyways I said what I have to say, so I will promptly stay silent so you guys don't whine about me whining.  ::)

fact still stands though... people are going to switch ship because of this, NO MATTER how unreasonable you feel that is.  ::) learn to accept others or others won't accept you,

what, you think that I am not thinking you are whining? geez

no offense of course nut, looking forward to racing you in next week

Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Peanut on March 29, 2004, 09:43:46 PM
shouldn't be any offense taken either way, d.

we'll have fun at vir as always....;D
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: smoke on March 30, 2004, 03:29:24 AM
http://dbserver.iscmotorsports.com/HomesteadMiamiSpeedway/EPub/DownloadMMAsset.cfm?MM_ID=4511&MMContentType=application&MMContentSubType=pdf&StoryID=4324&StoryHeadline=Homestead%2DMiami%20Seating%20Chart&PleaseWait=OK


Its a PDF file of the track
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS854 on March 30, 2004, 09:04:09 AM
Despite the whining about the whining we can't tear ourselves away from this thread ;)   Thanks for the map, Smoke.

http://www.n-jcenter.com/NewsJournalOnline/Speed/Headlines/03SpeedRBIZ01 032404.htm

Turn #s 1 & 4 refer to the NASCAR oval?  Does the roadcourse run CW or CCW?

Eric Mercer
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCS on March 30, 2004, 12:03:34 PM
Daytona International Speedway took a chance on CCS in 1984 and have been one of our strongest supporters since that time. When we first learned of this possible construction, ISC offered to help us relocate to any of their other facilities, with California and Homestead being the only two viable alternatives.

The obvious choice was Homestead, being only 5-6 hours further than Daytona for East Coast riders (3-4 hours for those able to come down I-75 from the Mid-West or western regions). Obvious pluses are lower hotel rates, less traffic and lower noise from the Biketoberfest party. The down side is that we lose the "neutral" ground that Daytona enjoys since it is only run on twice a year by motorcycles. Running at Homestead, the Florida riders will have the same advantage that Southeast riders have at Road Atlanta for the GNF. (Florida riders have been very successful at Daytona too, averaging more than 50% of the championships over the last 3 years.)

Besides, wouldn't the victory be even sweeter when you win at their "home" track?
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: CCSRacer114 on March 30, 2004, 01:14:07 PM
QuoteDespite the whining about the whining we can't tear ourselves away from this thread ;)   Thanks for the map, Smoke.

http://www.n-jcenter.com/NewsJournalOnline/Speed/Headlines/03SpeedRBIZ01 032404.htm

Turn #s 1 & 4 refer to the NASCAR oval?  Does the roadcourse run CW or CCW?

Eric Mercer

Counter Clockwise.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: quicktoy on March 30, 2004, 01:33:11 PM
Benji, we'll definately hook up down there bro, do some partying..last year i was too serious and kept crashing..this year, im gonna party on race weekends, I still may crash a lot, but atleast i'll be hungover in doing so ;-)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: Super Dave on March 30, 2004, 05:59:03 PM
QuoteDaytona International Speedway took a chance on CCS in 1984 and have been one of our strongest supporters since that time....

I agree.  DIS has been good to CCS and the whole of motorcycle racers in general.

Personally, I think Homestead is a pretty good alternative.  So, I'm in.  See you at Road America.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: lil_thorny on March 30, 2004, 06:03:07 PM
Thanks Mr. Elliot.
You have been in here alot lately...it is really
good to see.  :)

30.
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ecumike on July 30, 2004, 12:46:17 PM
TTT for Ronin :)
Title: Re: Daytona'04  R.O.C CANCELED !!!!
Post by: ronin on July 30, 2004, 05:00:17 PM
 ;Dsee you at homestead