Friggin lappers!!!!

[Team_nuclear123]

Wow, big suprise that some damn laper(s) changed the outcome of the race huh?? Werent we just talking about this? Drainplug?

Think Miguel was pissed? Ben was REALLY pissed....

Funny thing is the guy that caused it was the same dumbass that ended Scott Russel's career.... Dangerous Dean Mizdal.

Say what you want, and bitch all you want, but the facts are the facts, neither one of those two guys should have been out there. The changed the outcome of the race by being on the track when there was a race going on.

Ben said that they parked it SO bad in the corner that he had the front wheel locked up 80 ft before the bike tucked the front, and that they changed lines mid corner. I guess those two backmarkers were "racing" for 56th place or whatever.

AMA really need to change the rules to 105% max. There should be no lappers period. If you cant run fast enough to not be lapped, you shoudl run in support classes and regional races until you develop. If you cant run at the pace then, take up friggin golf or something, but quit risking the lives of the guys with real talent!

Im WAY beyond pissed. That was such TOTAL BS...

[WebCrush]

There should be no lappers period. If you cant run fast enough to not be lapped, you shoudl run in support classes and regional races until you develop. If you cant run at the pace then, take up friggin golf or something, but quit risking the lives of the guys with real talent!

Oh great, so we get to have a 6 person race series?

[EX#996]

Ben didn't have the line going in, the lapper's couldn't have gone outside because Miquel was there.  It was a racing incident.  Ben tried a bold move and it didn't work.  IT WASN'T THE SLOWER RIDER'S FAULT.

Dawn  

[Team_nuclear123]

There would have been 15 guys in the race. It didnt matter, there was really only one race going on, and it didnt involve the lappers.

Dawn, you are wrong. Ben was committed to that line because the lappers were in the way. He didnt want to loose touch, and they shut the door on him. This is from his mouth today.

Besides, if the slow ass lappers werent there, in the way fo the real race, there woudlnt have been a crash.

[EX#996]

We've had this discussion before.

Ben's tire hit the guy's swingarm (in my opinion, that's not owning the line, you have to have it before the apex of the corner and Ben didn't have it).  Then the domino effect took place and unfortunately it took Miquel out too ($10.00 bucks says that Miquel was pissed at Ben for the move and not the lappers, but he probably wouldn't admit it).  If Ben said he was committed to that line, he took a chance.  Unfortunately it didn't work out.  Those guys have been racing long enough to know what traffic is like and the smart ones use it to their advantage.

It's like a game of chess, pass a lapper in a corner, you know the guy behind you has to wait.  Take a defensive line and then do the same thing at the next corner.  It's a piece of the puzzle and part of the race.

Dawn

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Wow, big suprise that some damn laper(s) changed the outcome of the race huh?? Werent we just talking about this? Drainplug?

AMA really need to change the rules to 105% max. There should be no lappers period. If you cant run fast enough to not be lapped, you shoudl run in support classes and regional races until you develop. If you cant run at the pace then, take up friggin golf or something, but quit risking the lives of the guys with real talent!

Im WAY beyond pissed. That was such TOTAL BS...

     I realize that you personally are mad about the lapper situation, but you should check your facts before you blow-up like that!

     The last times and positions shown scrolling across the screen right before Ben's incident are as follows for the 4 racers involved:

     #17   Duhamel   1:27.263  (3rd place)
     #155  Bostrom    1:27.746 (1st place)
     #38   Mizdal       1:31.091  (19th place)
     #49   Jacobi        1:31.531 (16th place)

     Using Duhamels' time as the fastest and Jacobis' as the slowest, Jacobi was running at 104.89% of Duhamels time.

     I have replayed the incident multiple times at the different camera angles and it is very obvious that Ben is the one riding the uncommon line here. All 3 of the other riders involved (including Duhamel) were taking an almost identical line thru that corner. Ben had plenty of time and room to move over and follow Duhamel thru that turn, but instead got greedy and made a dangerous decision to pass 3 riders at once on the inside of the slowest corner on that track while carry alot of speed.

     The way I have always understood it is that the faster rider has the responsibilty of safely passing those in front of him, whether a lapper or someone their directly fighting with.

[Team_nuclear123]

Dawn, this isnt club racing, this is the highest form of motorcycle racing in the US, and in order to elevate it, we need to run it as professionals..

How many lappers were in the MotoGP race today? none, ever.

The whole point is that the LAPPERS shouldnt be there!

At the speeds they go, there isnt a lot of room to change mid corner ya know??? If the lappers werent out there, there wouldnt be a problem.

Miguel was PISSED, but at the friggin lappers, he has been vocal about them all year, and his comments from this weekend will be, shall we say, hot.

[fizzer400]

I have to agree. I'm a big #155 fan(and #17), but it did indeed look like Ben took a very "optimistic" line through that turn, trying to get past the lap riders as quickly as possible. It sucks, but you know what, everybody who was fighting for the lead had to get by those same riders. It's not like they intentionally blocked Bostrom and Miggy...as the old adage goes, "that racing!"

Jeff
CCS #419

[DRU2]

Here we go with the slower riders again. I understand that there is a big speed difference,and a experiance difference. But who would come to see a race that only has 15 people in it! And thats not saying much because the top 4 to 8 people never change. There places change but the names are always the same. Remember in your licsensing class it is the rider behind that has to pass the rider in front not the other way around this isnt the roundy rounds! Even if he is a back marker.

[EX#996]

Ya' know....

The 105% rule you propose would include the first 30 people of the race according to the lap times as posted on ussuperbike.com

01:26.044 AARON W YATES MILLEDGEVILLE, GA SUZ 1000
01:26.315 MIGUEL DUHAMEL REPENTIGNY, QC HON 1000
01:26.333 MATHEW MLADIN RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CA SUZ 1000
01:26.531 BEN D BOSTROM LAS VEGAS, NV HON 1000
01:26.562 KURTIS L ROBERTS HICKMAN, CA HON 1000
01:26.980 GIOVANNI BUSSEI TORINO, ITALY, DUC 998
01:28.584 STEVE RAPP CORONA, CA SUZ 1000
01:28.759 TOM H KIPP CHARDON, OH KAW 750
01:28.863 SHAWN M HIGBEE BIG BEND, WI SUZ 1000
01:29.138 MICHAEL F BARNES BOCA RATON, FL SUZ 1000
01:29.142 VINCENT HASKOVEC LAKE ELSINORE, CA SUZ 1000
01:29.521 ERIC C WOOD MANSFIELD, MA SUZ 750
01:29.875 JACOB L HOLDEN PUYALLUP, WA SUZ 750
01:30.224 JOHN HANER PEARLAND, TX YAM 1000
01:30.294 BRIAN STOKES KINGSTON, GA SUZ 750
01:30.672 JEREMY TOYE SAN DIEGO, CA SUZ 750
01:30.679 DEAN MIZDAL HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA SUZ 1000
01:30.734 MARCO MARTINEZ FORT LAUDERDALE, FL SUZ 1000
01:30.742 ANDREW J DEATHERAGE CLEVELAND, OH SUZ 1000
01:30.839 JOHN R JACOBI CARMEL, IN SUZ 1000
01:30.844 GEOFF MAY ALPHARETTA, GA SUZ 1000
01:30.943 CHRIS ULRICH LAKE ELSINORE, CA SUZ 1000
01:31.056 ROBERT M CHRISTMAN FORT COLLINS, CO SUZ 1000
01:31.084 REUBEN FRANKENFIELD GREENWOOD, IN SUZ 750
01:31.104 MIKE D CICCOTTO SEBASTIAN, FL SUZ 750
01:31.143 J J ROETLIN KALONA, IA SUZ 750
01:31.333 BYRON BARBOUR LITHIA SPRINGS, GA SUZ 1000
01:31.642 MICHAEL J SANCHEZ AUSTIN, TX SUZ 750
01:31.840 TOM WERTMAN PUYALLUP, WA SUZ 1000
01:32.136 SCOTT E CARPENTER RALEIGH, NC SUZ 1000
01:32.788 KEVIN HANSON CHAMPAIGN, IL

Dawn   :)

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

How many lappers were in the MotoGP race today? none, ever.

Actually there was a lapper in that race, and Kenny Roberts wasn't that far from being one himself!

Unless I am mistaken lappers are actually common in MotoGP races, just not as many when you only have 19 riders in the race.

[ronin]

 ;D hey team nuclear123, are that blind or are you just that stupid?