Making supersport...supersport

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Actually, I've said that many times.

:-* :-* :-* :-* ;)

[NumbskullzSE]

I'm backing K3 on this one and I'm wondering if this thread is coming close to being World Champion thread!? What's the most views a thread has ever had. We've obviously hit a good topic here. Here's to 2007 having strict SS rules!

[TommyG]

As I said before.....doesn`t matter what rules they write....cheaters will cheat and nothing will change!

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Now I don't know that it *would* solve anything, but what if they looked at taking SS out of the points mix for regional titles?  Would that take away the incentive for some to cheat?

No, it wouldn't.  Your post neatly paraphrases what I've been saying, (Thanks!) but misses the point on motivation.  Guys race because they like it.  It gets better if they win.  Entering SS doesn't have to be about the points.  I was running into the SS cheating phenominon in F40, a class that doesn't count for anything but fun.  F40 heavyweight bikes have to be SS legal.  I know of two that WERE NOT legal.  But their owners also ran them in the more modified classes, had built them, and thought nothing of entering them in F40 for fun.  Problem is, I wasn't having any fun watching them disappear.
At one point, I actually petitioned for F40 to be run under GP rules.  Then I could have at least built my bike without cheating.  See, I don't mind building a hotrod.  I just hate being told I can't, then having to race against people who did it anyway!

[damico]

My original thought on starting this thread had absolutely NOTHING to do with cheating. I have never gotten beat by someone that cheated that I didn't deserve to be beaten by (because I didn't ride well enough). Stop FU**ing whining about cheaters, learn to ride better or protest, otherwise shut up if your just going to whine about it.
  This thread had to do with the wording in the rule book to allow some of the stupid sh8t they allow in SS.  
I am so glad I get to make so many new friends on this forum.

[dsb]

As I said before.....doesn`t matter what rules they write....cheaters will cheat and nothing will change!

If no one will ever protest, then you might as well call them 'guidelines' instead of rules... Personally I've never seen the point of winning the SS class with a superbike... Kind of like cheating on your golf score... If you're going to do that, you might as well put down anything, because it's meaningless...

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

I have never gotten beat by someone that cheated that I didn't deserve to be beaten by (because I didn't ride well enough). Stop FU**ing whining about cheaters, learn to ride better or protest, otherwise shut up if your just going to whine about it.
  
I am so glad I get to make so many new friends on this forum.

;D  Did you write this post, or was one of your old friends borrowing your computer?

[oldguy]

Hey K3, lets go to the races and set up a table like a bail bondsman only we'll be fronting PROTEST FEES 'R' US. We can franchise and go to all the races even the W*** ones. We get a cut and everybody that wants to can protest all day long. The details are sketchy, but the outline is here.

Wait, you run the table and I'll enter the Triumph 675 in the LW classes, that'll drum up some business.

(j/k..... j/k, it's a long off season and I'm going nuts  ;D)

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

And I could sell Highside at the same table!!!!

[Super Dave]

Now we're talkin' capitalism...


A supersport bike should have a working starter.

A supersport bike should have a working charging system.  

Carburated bikes could have jets changed and ignition advancers installed, so you'd have to allow all the FI stuff and ignition stuff there.  Everything continues to be leaned down for emissions, so that stuff is good for longevity and durability.

Replacement rear shocks?  I think you must allow it.  Some manufactures make their bikes so that they street bike is so far off from what a reasonable race bike is it's necessary to have the replacement shock just for the extra length.

I'm blown away by all the people that are dropping big cake on all the drop in cartridge kits.  Seems like a whole lot of expense, and it, to me, is kind of far away from reality.  I don't mind having new springs, and modified internals, but complete replacement of cartridges...well, that's someone elses money.

Motor...maintenance needs to be allowed.  So, I always liked the idea that one could redeck the head to get things to seal when things warp.  Then you need to allow cam timing to go with that.  

Blueprinting bottom end bearings?  Yeah, I think that's fine.  They are stock parts.  If you can't do that, run lighter oil.  I had some different oil made to my spec's once.

Transmissions...ok, I think you should allow someone to shim it if they no how to do it, but back cutting it seems excessive in that it can get modified pretty quick to really improve it way beyond stock.  

More thoughts?

[Stone]

Now we're talkin' capitalism...


A supersport bike should have a working starter.

A supersport bike should have a working charging system.  

Carburated bikes could have jets changed and ignition advancers installed, so you'd have to allow all the FI stuff and ignition stuff there.  Everything continues to be leaned down for emissions, so that stuff is good for longevity and durability.

Replacement rear shocks?  I think you must allow it.  Some manufactures make their bikes so that they street bike is so far off from what a reasonable race bike is it's necessary to have the replacement shock just for the extra length.

I'm blown away by all the people that are dropping big cake on all the drop in cartridge kits.  Seems like a whole lot of expense, and it, to me, is kind of far away from reality.  I don't mind having new springs, and modified internals, but complete replacement of cartridges...well, that's someone elses money.

Motor...maintenance needs to be allowed.  So, I always liked the idea that one could redeck the head to get things to seal when things warp.  Then you need to allow cam timing to go with that.  

Blueprinting bottom end bearings?  Yeah, I think that's fine.  They are stock parts.  If you can't do that, run lighter oil.  I had some different oil made to my spec's once.

Transmissions...ok, I think you should allow someone to shim it if they no how to do it, but back cutting it seems excessive in that it can get modified pretty quick to really improve it way beyond stock.  

More thoughts?

Theres no way that a set of springs and Racetech valving are going to compare to the 25mm Ohlins carts that I have in my new SS legal 1k Suzuki. Give me a cookie....

[Thingy]

My original thought on starting this thread had absolutely NOTHING to do with cheating. I have never gotten beat by someone that cheated that I didn't deserve to be beaten by (because I didn't ride well enough). Stop FU**ing whining about cheaters, learn to ride better or protest, otherwise shut up if your just going to whine about it.
  This thread had to do with the wording in the rule book to allow some of the stupid sh8t they allow in SS.  
I am so glad I get to make so many new friends on this forum.

Excellent point, but I doubt that we will get back to it.  

PS - I have met you and like you.  Of course, I also like Super Dave... :-/