08 LW class rules

[YellowRacer]

He'll just say he gained a couple pounds :)

[xseal]

1) Isn't Ed Key's SV650 too light for the ULWSB class?
2) The problem with the Beemer isn't 1170cc, its a 4 valve, overhead cam engine.
3) The Ducs that "came on the scene last year" in 2007 (??), were the aircooled, 2 valve, SS1000s.  That bike was introduced in 2003 and discontinued in 2006.

I race a Duc. I never saw the rear end of Arnie Hasting's SV SB for more than about a lap (Arnie will say I'm exaggerating ... it was more like 1/2 a lap).  The bikes I raced with competitively included the Buells, SVs and fellow Ducs. Nate Kern didn't ride his BMW in the lw classes this year (admirable, I thought).  Seems to me like  the only SVs at a disadvantage were the SS spec SVs racing in the LWSB/GP classes. 

The LW and ULWSB classes were working pretty well, I can't imagine why they changed them, and I liked seeing all those homebuilt/ratty FZ400s running against the vintage Duc750s, etc.  ... put it back.

[HAWK]

Xseal,

Eric has reopened the LW/ULW rule change and is considering all input. Please send him a letter asking that things be left as they are. Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us He hopes to have a final ruling Nov 30 so hurry.

[xseal]

Xseal,

Eric has reopened the LW/ULW rule change and is considering all input. Please send him a letter asking that things be left as they are. Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us He hopes to have a final ruling Nov 30 so hurry.

Xseal,

Eric has reopened the LW/ULW rule change and is considering all input. Please send him a letter asking that things be left as they are. Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us He hopes to have a final ruling Nov 30 so hurry.

Done.

[HAWK]

 

Done.

I think some of the new bikes are going to make this change necessary in a year or two but I believe that this is an overkill response at this point.

[roadracer162]

The weight is hard to disguise.

According to my annual fitness testing I am just as fat as I was in 2001.

[truckstop]

I can understand that CCS isn't about vintage racing. Especially since the ULWSB and LWSS classes are teeny. I took that chance when I bought my bike, I knew its days were numbered. My biggest issue is that the rule change was a total surprise.

...but it's a bummer that old bikes now seem unwelcome because there's no money in them. It's also a little sad that the nature of all of these rules favor those with a lot of money. Those that can buy new bikes, or those that can afford to pay their full season's worth of entry fees in January. You're kind of alienating those who choose the cheaper path. With both my husband and I racing - he on a modern 600, and me on a 20 year old bike - I've got a pretty clear grasp on the expense of running each. (I bought two sets of tires last season. Two. I rode on those two sets of tires at six race weekends and jeebus, probably over 20 trackday weekends?) Michelin may not have made a whole lot of money off of me, but CCS still got my 2-3 classes of entry fees per weekend.

With the clarification that the new 650 twins in ULWSB not being heavily modified, I can live with the rule change, still, I fear the ramifications for the other LW classes. I don't really have a choice. I'll be running Torro the Hawktractor next season either way.

[Super Dave]

According to my annual fitness testing I am just as fat as I was in 2001.

You need a new scale.  LOL!

[tzracer]

2) The problem with the Beemer isn't 1170cc, its a 4 valve, overhead cam engine.

The current oilhead BMWs are not overhead cams. Te cams are in the head, but they are located on the side (bottom as mounted on the bike) of the head. Push rods and rocker arms are used to actuate the valves. They are referred to as cam in head engines.

The HP2 Sport will have DOHC (DSHC?) heads.

[xb9racer]

Just got a reply from Eric. Although he insists that the rules are not yet set in stone,  the XB9R won't be allowed in ULSB because it has 90hp. Wow. There is no way in hell that bike puts out 90hp. But I believe the  "spec sheet" says so. Funny but Paul James Moto-ST 12R puts out less than that!
Also sighted that the winning ASRA Thunderbike of Dave Estock is a 9. May have started life as a 9 but...

Oh well.

[Super Dave]

Um, yeah. 

In the Supertwins race at Topeka, there was a real 9, and it was no match for Estok's bike nor my SV1000. 

What does the spec sheet say about an SV650?  100?

[Team Spalding]

A super sport legal XB12R only makes about 84 rwhp so a XB9R is only around 74. The spec sheet is at the crank and on a good day.