08 LW class rules

[LongDogRacing]

Can those of you who have raced in the past honestly say the statement "I'll just go do trackdays" makes sense?
Personally, trackdays have lost most of their value to me since I started racing.  As someone said above, it's a good breeding ground to build the basic building blocks of the sport, but I don't forsee myself going out to a trackday 'just for fun' in the near future.  It's the competition, and the potential for reward, that draws me to racing.

oh yeah, i want to run my SV as a LW machine.

[Super Dave]

So, from what I'm reading, SVs can be up to 800cc in LTWT SB, but have to maintain 650 and SS rules for LTWT SS, and 650cc and SB rules for ULTWT???  Is this correct??

This is the PROPOSAL from CCS.  It's not set in stone.  But it is a recommendation that was given to them, and they are looking at it.

[Super Dave]

Can those of you who have raced in the past honestly say the statement "I'll just go do trackdays" makes sense?
Personally, trackdays have lost most of their value to me since I started racing.  As someone said above, it's a good breeding ground to build the basic building blocks of the sport, but I don't forsee myself going out to a trackday 'just for fun' in the near future.  It's the competition, and the potential for reward, that draws me to racing.

oh yeah, i want to run my SV as a LW machine.

Yeah, me too on the track day v race day gig.

Even if I'm on a non current machine, I get a bit more out of racing than a track day.  It is a different mindset. 

These new rules are preliminary, and they are not adopted at this time.  But it is a strong recommendation based on information compiled from different CCS regions.  It might not represent what happens in particular regions at all, and that will certainly leave some upset. 

These are guidelines that some of the race directors and others came up with as things that would be changes in the LW/UltW structures to potentially overcome things they feel they see on the horizon or happening.

Something similar happened in 1998/1999 when the SV650 was released.  It wasn't a MW bike, and it was outside the regular structure of LW's being four valves up to 500cc's, I think if I remember right, and 650cc's if three valve for Supersport.  Superbike was different.  I've got rule books lying around someplace, but it was a change.  "Overnight, there were complaints about EX500's not being competitive anymore, and there were those that were looking for places to race those. 

Most of them are gone (EX500's), I do believe, regardless of the opportunities that other organizations gave them.

I don't think the SV650's are going away at all, but I do thing some of the bikes are going to struggle a bit more to get seventh place in UlwSB vs when they could get first or second on a '91 NT650.


Many of us see the rule change as unexpected.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Can those of you who have raced in the past honestly say the statement "I'll just go do trackdays" makes sense?

Well, it has worked for me and others.  I simply couldn't afford competitive machinery or multiple sets of tires per weekend.  Participating in trackdays as a coach has allowed me to continue to enjoy something I love.
Let me ask you this.  Does the statement "I'll just never ride a bike at a racetrack again since I can't afford to continue racing" make sense to you?  It sure wouldn't have worked for me.

[Super Dave]

Never did for me.  I always looked for ways to reduce my costs in traveling in groups, entering fewer races to use less tires. 

Ridin' and racin' are different, period.  Racers race.  It never meant that it was affordable or even doable all the time.  Even with an unlimited budget, racing costs rise to the level of unlimited.

[xb9racer]

I just read the generic response sent out by Eric. Seems to me that no matter what is said, written or implied on the racers end, this rule is going through.
Stating that it isn't fair for sv650's to be considered LW because of the new bikes coming out, they will be allowed to run ULSB.
Again,where does that leave us running the Buell XB9's that were bumped up to LW because we're more competitive with the SV's? To powerful for ULSB, yet not powerful enough to compete against the new bike being allowed in the LW classes. May be time to switch to a different race organization I guess.

[Super Dave]

I would think that there would mean a bump back to UlwSB. 

There hasn't been anything stated, but I would expect something similar.  You'll want to contact Eric on that directly. 

[xb9racer]

Hope I don't sound like I'm bitching about it. Just seems dumb to allow one bike in and keep one out when they were deemed direct competitors.  I will be emailing Eric. For the record, I don't believe either the SV or the XB9 should be in ULSB.

[backMARKr]

Ok....got this all figured out ( at least for me!)....took my brother 's '03 TLR1000 ( it's crashed anyway) and made SV 650 decals for it.

Mooowhahahahahahaha!!!


Aint skeered a no Beemer, no damn Buell neither....









I felt the conversation could stand some levity....anyway....carry on with the discussion.

[Racer510]

Hey Mark, That sounds like a wonderful Idea!!

[SV88]

Could I disguise my SV1000 as a 650??? Same tank, seat, fender, everything else exceopt for a little 350 extra cc but what is that between racers......

[Super Dave]

The weight is hard to disguise.