08 LW class rules

[EX_#76]

With the clarification that the new 650 twins in ULWSB not being heavily modified, I can live with the rule change, still, I fear the ramifications for the other LW classes. I don't really have a choice. I'll be running Torro the Hawktractor next season either way.

Did I miss a post.  The only limit on the SV 650 modifications in ULWSB I recall seeing was 650cc displacement.  Erick's post said SB rules for SB.   to me, that means I can have a fully modified superbike, cams, carbs, rods, porting, gsxr front end.... all that good stuff and run it in ULSB.  I assume that you would still be able to have a 1mm overbore on that displacement like LWSS is today.

If I have missed something, please point me to that info

[tomholiday]

that is definitely something that needs clarification considering those mods can put it an SV in the 80 HP range.

[Super Dave]

So, a bore problem would only be fixed under the rules structure by cylinder replacement/bore repair/etc?

I'll agree that it seems like there would be easy opportunities for reliable 75 to 80HP engines.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there were plenty of supersport FI SV650's going across the dyno (dynojet) with 72 to 75 HP with minor modifications...meaning nothing had to be taken apart to get into the engine.

[Super Dave]

I'll just ramble...

What else is new, right?  LOL!

As more of a middleweight guy, I always had supersport bikes.  You could run in MWSS, HWSS, ULSS. 

But once someone pointed out to me that there wasn't a great reason to have a LWSS bike because you're not really going to bump up into MWSS.  I used to bump from D production on my RZ350 into C production, but that doesn't happen much anymore.

Seems like allowing the SV650 to run 650cc Superbike rules would pretty much kill any idea or reason to run LWSS.  Seems like it would really hurt it.  Not that a Superbike SV would go three seconds a lap faster with the same rider compared to a Supersport SV.  Someone can flame me on that if they would like.

Just another reason to have an SV, I guess.

[HAWK]

OK, I can't find my 07 rulebook (didn't really need it as I couldn't get on a bike this year) but could someone please help me out here. I am reading a lot of posts that are calling the R1200S an overhead cam, while what Brian has pointed out is true about the actual cam placement do the LWSB rules specify anything with regard to cam placement? The 06 rules only specify 1210 cc limit for aircooled twins, they don't even care about number of valves. Did this change in 07?

[HAWK]

Seems like allowing the SV650 to run 650cc Superbike rules would pretty much kill any idea or reason to run LWSS.  Seems like it would really hurt it.  Not that a Superbike SV would go three seconds a lap faster with the same rider compared to a Supersport SV.  Someone can flame me on that if they would like.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here Dave, From what I have read the SV will have 3 prep rules under the current proposal, LWSS, ULWSB and LWSB. We still don't know if this rule allows the BMW into SS or if the SV displacement limits in SS will change.

[123user]

I can hardly wait.  I can hear the screaming now... SV riders  will be crying foul because they are getting beat by 25 year old ducati's.  On the internet horsepower scale, "Desmo" will be worth 20 HP.   And aircooled motors will have an unfair advantage because they're lighter.

Shame on Ducati, BMW, and Buell for building bikes that fit into an existing class structure.  Nevermind the buy-in cost is double or triple that of an SV.  Suzuki did a wonderful thing... making club racing affordable for so many.  Instead of being thankful for making club racing affordable again, they complain.  Stop looking your gift-horse in the mouth.  The SV crowd has complained itself into the lowest rung of racing! 

[HAWK]

Scott, have you read the thread? Everyone posting here is opposed to the rule change. We DON'T want the rule change. I have posted Erics email address no fewer than 5 times and urged everyone to send a polite well thought out email asking him to not pass this rule at this time (more because I don't want to see your old playground annihilated than anything else). The original post that started this thread was from a LW rider that was shocked by the ULW eligibility of the SV and what it was going to do there. My only complaint right now is that I don't know what specs to build my motor to for next year. And yes, I have noted that the bikes that are driving this rule change are rather expensive, and that it's a shame that the LW class which was both an inexpensive and  more docile class great for entry level will be losing that appeal but I really have not seen anyone crying foul over it. The great majority of the posters here want things to stay as they are, which BTW includes you running in LW against SVs, giving you even bigger grids and better contingency than if the rule were to change.


We're on your side here.

[Super Dave]

I'm not sure what you are getting at here Dave, From what I have read the SV will have 3 prep rules under the current proposal, LWSS, ULWSB and LWSB. We still don't know if this rule allows the BMW into SS or if the SV displacement limits in SS will change.

Riders in general only have so much money.  So, their choices in classes are limited.  As more classes have developed and others have changed because of entries, some classes suffer.

With few riders getting into 250GP bikes, LWGP is a great place for SV's.  Another class in addition to LWSB and Thunderbike that allow modifications above supersport.  Some of the old LWSS guys will have to talk about their past experience with the grids in LWSS.  Certainly, it might be different region to region, but it seems that I see more SV650 riders that are spending more money on modifications above supersport:  lots of fork changes, wheel swaps, big bore, carbon, etc. 

It's cool because it's not as expensive as trying to do it to the latest and greatest hyperbike, but, well, change happens.  Manufacturers' contingency usually keeps riders involved in certain classes, and I don't know of many that do so in LWSS.  How many guys buy SV650's to chase Suzuki Contingency? 

[123user]

Actually Paul,  I'm pretty indifferent.  I feel confident in saying that this won't effect the LW grids, and can only bolster the ultralight.  I just find humor in the fact that some people will never be satisfied.  Depending on the spec-rules, its probably a win-win for SV riders.  Its a losing proposition for anyone on an FZR, hawk, CB1 (when was the last time you saw one of those), but it just evens up the game for the small-case ducati crowd.  On the record, I'm completely against spec classes, tires, leathers, fairings, etc.  That's my only problem with this rule change..

Besides, I ride a "cheater" bike!

[dylanfan53]

I have a headache...

[HAWK]

I have a headache...

Crap, does that mean I'm about to get one too.