08 LW class rules

[roadracer162]

I'm concerned with the idea of where it leaves people, such as myself, that run the XB9R's. What bikes will be allowed in
LWSS now? Will I be allowed to run in ULSB? Or does my bike now become the "odd ball"?

You are just not a majority vote so you don't count.:)

Mark

[HAWK]

I'm concerned with the idea of where it leaves people, such as myself, that run the XB9R's. What bikes will be allowed in
LWSS now? Will I be allowed to run in ULSB? Or does my bike now become the "odd ball"?

You need to contact Eric at Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us and voice your concerns. If you object to this rule change make sure you let him know that as well. Send him a clear, polite email telling him how you feel about this rule chage and either what you feel would make it a better change or why you think it should not happen.

[xb9racer]

email sent with my concerns. I guess now it's just a waiting game.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

I wonder how an F2 would stand up against an 800cc SV?

Did someone mention Performance Index again?  That kinda talk's not allowed here.  Go run trackdays.  Racing is for purists.  It's heresy to talk about anything that might level playing fields, make racing cheaper and/or increase grid size back to where it was a decade ago.  Keep babbling like that and you'll just be talked down to and have the validity of your statements ignored.

[roadracer162]

Hey K3,

Don't ever go away. I love hearing what you have to say.

I bet on the SV800. I've run against them and they are ultra-fast.

[clutch]

I dont agree with this rule.  Was it done to generate more revenue. Think about it.  You open up another class to SV's and split it amateur and expert again.  Somtimes the grids for LWSS were 25 bikes in the Mid Atlantic in 2007 for expert and perhaps close to that in amateur.  ULSBK may have had a max grid of what, 8 - 10 on a good weekend.  Think about it, if there were just say 25 more entries at the minimum $35 for a race, thats an additional $875.  The class will be dominate by SS SV's, and the occasional Ducati 800SS :)

[HAWK]

Sean, more than likely the net revenue impact will be nothing. Chances are you are going to chase away most of the ULW riders by placing the SV into ULW. These are riders paying $75 to race in that class while the SVs will be paying as you note $35 as an additional class. Factor in the SV riders that will give up a LW class to run the ULW class and it will probably be a wash.

[HAWK]

Everyone here who feels this rule should not be adopted please write to Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us and tell him why. Please don't simply rant to him but give him valid, constructive reasons not to adopt this rule. Things like the riders in ULW that this rule will hurt, the fact that the SV already has more than enough classes to run in, or the older or lighter bikes that will be displaced including the recent influx of motards in ULW.

Keep in mind as well that the newer more powerful bikes coming into the LW class will make this rule necessary soon regardless of the outcome this year. While the extra power of these new bikes might not mean much at most of the local tight tracks, the rules have to make sense at Daytona as well. The more riders that contact Eric with legitimate opposition to this rule the more likely it is that this rule will be rescinded or at least delayed.

Finally, please  remember that the organizers at CCS ride a fine line, they have to keep the series profitable AND keep the riders satisfied so they keep coming back. I think for the most part they do a very good job at it but unfortunately they usually only hear from us when we disagree with them. Try to make the disagreement polite and constructive and maybe consider a letter thanking them for all the good work they do later.

[roadracer162]

How about a Lightweight twins class and run it with say Lighweight GP. I guess with this same reasoning for the SV going to a lesser class, the F2 will someday become a Lightweight bike.

[Super Dave]

I certainly believe that changes are made for revenue.  But that's not a bad thing.  If CCS cannot survive, or it becomes less profitable, we won't be racing with them or the costs to race with them or potentially with others might increase. 


I have been lead to believe that the change is being made because of some changes related to up to 800cc liquid cooled non desmo twins. 

Is that only the new BMW or are there others that I'm not recognizing?

[klebs01]

Aprilia SL 750 Shiver.

[HAWK]

With regard to the BMWs, I don't think the 800 will be much of a threat to the existing LW bikes I believe the changes are related to the R1200S and possibly its new big brother the HP2 which is also an 1170cc air cooled motor. The R1200S which is legal for LW is proving to be a worthy adversary and thus the evolution of the rules. The HP2 should be legal as long as the valve train is not desmo. I'm certainly not an expert on desmo http://www.bluming.com/projects/desmo.htm but I believe it involves a valve train that does not use springs but where the cam both opens and closes the valve. The HP2 seems to have springs so I believe it to be legal in LW.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/bmw/first-look-2008-bmw-hp2-sport-67658.html

And as just mentioned by klebs01 other new bikes as well.