08 LW class rules

[Super Dave]

Would one of you take your medication.

[EX_#76]

So, a bore problem would only be fixed under the rules structure by cylinder replacement/bore repair/etc?

I'll agree that it seems like there would be easy opportunities for reliable 75 to 80HP engines.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there were plenty of supersport FI SV650's going across the dyno (dynojet) with 72 to 75 HP with minor modifications...meaning nothing had to be taken apart to get into the engine.

Under the current SS rules you can have a 1mm maximum overbore.  You would have to resleeve or replace a 1mm overbored cylinder that is worn out.

I have seen 2 74+hp FI SVs on a dynojet.  The only mods to the bike was a pipe and a map.

Under the proposed ULSB rules you could probably make a reliable bike in the upper 80 hp range.

[EX_#76]

Crap, does that mean I'm about to get one too.

You two are freaking me out.  Stay in the closet!!  LOL

[truckstop]

If I have missed something, please point me to that info

No, I think it was just wishful thinking on my part. I've been reading several threads on several boards about this and got confused.

My thought process being that if the ULWSB specs for SVs were closer to current LWSS spec that it would be ok. I think I was actually able to pass a few LWSS bikes, and didn't get lapped by Ed until late in the race. :P Unlike LWSB where I think I was getting lapped after lap 2. :D

[spyderchick]

Actually Paul,  I'm pretty indifferent.  I feel confident in saying that this won't effect the LW grids, and can only bolster the ultralight.  I just find humor in the fact that some people will never be satisfied.  Depending on the spec-rules, its probably a win-win for SV riders.  Its a losing proposition for anyone on an FZR, hawk, CB1 (when was the last time you saw one of those), but it just evens up the game for the small-case ducati crowd.  On the record, I'm completely against spec classes, tires, leathers, fairings, etc.  That's my only problem with this rule change..

Besides, I ride a "cheater" bike!

Roger was intending to bring his back out next year for ULWSB, but we may reconsider. It's a fairly stock configuration and cannot compete evenly with SB legal SVs.

That said, I know Mike Lower was making 90+ HP FZR 560s back in the day. They were championship material for sure. I do not support allowing SVs into the ULWSB class, simply because the SV has quite a few classes it can compete in with a variety of configurations, and bikes of a more (ahem) vintage flavor mostly enter a very limited number of classes, this being the most competitive. 

[HAWK]

Roger was intending to bring his back out next year for ULWSB, but we may reconsider. It's a fairly stock configuration and cannot compete evenly with SB legal SVs.

That said, I know Mike Lower was making 90+ HP FZR 560s back in the day. They were championship material for sure. I do not support allowing SVs into the ULWSB class, simply because the SV has quite a few classes it can compete in with a variety of configurations, and bikes of a more (ahem) vintage flavor mostly enter a very limited number of classes, this being the most competitive. 

Alexa,  did you .....



[wisper]   Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us [/wisper]

[spyderchick]

Not yet, but I did even out your karma. 

[HAWK]

Thank you Alexa.

Please keep in mind that Eric is currently reconsidering this particular rule himself and hopes to have an answer by Friday. Now would be the time to place a vote to keep the ULW class as it is for at least another year. I would enjoy lining next to Roger with my Hawk. 

[spyderchick]

 

[Super Dave]

I'd certainly like to race my H1 in UlwSB, not that it makes a big difference as I'd still like to gun for LWGP with it.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

This should set Rosno howling.  Here's my letter to Eric.

"Hi Eric,
I vote no to the SV in ULSB.  ULSB is the only class where beginning, budget racers can race old, low cost bikes and hope to win a trophy.  The SV will take that class over and drive dozens of full and part time CCS racers away from the game.

In fact, on the subject of budget racing, I think you should devise a class called Old School 6, where 600cc bikes from maybe 1999 and older compete under SB rules.  That would also be a great class to allow 650cc SB prep SVs to compete if you feel they need another class."

Let me see, where is my Karma at?

[Super Dave]

I'm not sure what basis you think it would.  I'm all for budget racing, just there's no good way to enforce it without costing money.

125GP bikes are great.  But no one wants to race them.  The 450GP thing only looks expensive to me.

I raced the Suzuki Cup Final with stock forks.  What to do?