Fuel Rules?

[Super Dave]

Ok, someone started something about a new VP fuel.  I sell Power Mist, and I understand what fuels are illegal under the CCS rules.

Here's a list of VP fuels and their readings on the HDE meter.

Anything that is beyond +/-0.4 is illegal...

VP 110     0.0

VP 921    -0.9

VP 921RT -0.5

VP Air RaceTBD

VP RED     +0.3

VP*TransAm-1.0

VP C-10 (Unleaded)+1.6

VP C-11  -1.1

VP C-12  -0.5

VP C-13   -1.1

VP C-14   -1.6

VP C-14 Plus -1.5

VP C-15   -0.8

VP C-16  0.0

VP C-18  -1.4

VP C-19  -1.4

VP C-20   -1.4

VP  C-21 -1.0

VP C-23  -1.0

VP  C-25  -1.8

VP C-30  TBD

VP C-32  -1.3

VP C-34  -1.3

VP C-36  -1.5

VP  C-40  TBD

VP  C-42  -1.0

VP       C-44        -0.9

VP*       C-46              -0.5

VP       C-56/IMPORT              +6.7
 
VP       DRT        +9.6

VP*       MR-1              +6.7

VP*       MR-2              +5.2
 
VP*       MR-3              +6.1
 
VP       MR-4              +4.6

VP       MRX-01              +5.0
 
VP       MS-98              -0.8
 
VP       NOS              -1.6
VP       SVO-5 (Unleaded)       +9.0

VP       TBX              -0.1

VP       Ultimate-4              +9.5

[Super Dave]

So, VP guys...

The list of VP fuels that could be legal are...

VP110

VP Red

VP C16

VP TBX

I'm sure that the guys that buy fuel, and the fuels that the vendors sell, are probably NOT these fuels.

[charliev]

I am running a stock kaw 636 with slip on and pwr commander. Any advantage to race fuels for this motor? I normally just run pump 93 oct.

[Super Dave]

I am not a VP dealer.  You'd have to let them tell you what would be appopriate.  I sell Power Mist in the Midwest area.

Would a different fuel make more power?  Yes.  Would it directly equate to better lap times for a regular racer?  NO.

Unless the fuel can give the bike an extra 30HP, it probably won't make a dramatic increase in lap times.  Dramatic meaning a second.

A good fuel should run cool, clean, and quickly.  Pump gas cerainly isn't bad.  

I don't run a Power Commander on my '03 R6 because of one problem alone that relates to lap times...reliablity.  There have been a lot of PC that have stopped functioning on bikes.  Haven't seen that they necessarily give any dramatic results on the race track and the results are only small on a dyno...which isn't a race track.

Race gas might help a really fast running amateur or a quick expert realize a small increase in lap times.  There might come a time when it is a bit more necessary at that level, but even then....  Cost can become an issue.

[OmniGLH]

Ultimate-4 on DanO's 636 (box stock aside from a Akra slip-on that was made to fit from an '00 R6) made +6hp at the peak, and had a gain of as much as +10hp in the midrange.

+9.x when 0.4 is illegal.  Wow.

Dave, what are some #s for pump gas?  I seem to remember you mentioning at some point that under the current rules even 93 octane pump is illegal?

[Super Dave]

Yeah, it can be illegal.

Put some water in it and it will really be way off the chart.

Put two stroke oil in a fuel and it will change dramatically also.

[Super Dave]

Additionally, the G-01 fuel tester has been discontinued and replaced.  I don't know if the new meter will read the same.

[Super Dave]

Pump gas...

Shell Premium Unleaded - marketed as SU-2000  +1.7

Illegal by the CCS/FUSA rules.

Fuels can vary by approximately +/-0.4 because of variations and aging.  So, the CCS rules are trying to have all competitors run fuel that measures initially as 0.0.

Fuels that would pass that...

Citgo 110

ERC 110DX2

Power Mist T112

new Torco Mach 116

VP 110

VP C16

Are these fuels aways available to you?  Would your performance suffer because you had to use them?  Would it be an added expense?

If you were sponsored by another racing fuel company and they didn't have a fuel that met the narrow requirements of these parameters.....What would you do?

If you found that pump gas gave you good results, let alone the reasonable cost, would you want to find a different series to race?  Would you be angry if you won an FUSA race on pump gas and you lost the purse money because your pump gas didn't pass the fuel rules?

Would you feel that it is unfair that you have to spend $1500 on a supersport motor when you can buy an oxygenated, leaded racing fuel for $45 an get a quick similar set of results and be competitive?

[smoke]

are the fuel rules in place now? or are they for next year?

[Super Dave]

These rules have been in place since 2002.  I can't get it changed on my own.

I'll be writing new rules and placing them in a place on my website so that others my download it and send them in to the CCS office.

[james-redsv]

Seems to me the fuel rules mean nothing. I have yet to see anyone check the fuel at post race inspections and no one has protested anyones fuel. Most everyone in the LW class runs ultimate 4, and you are saying its illegal? So can I protest someone who is using it next year if CCS doesnt change the rules? What the F#@%!! :o

[charliev]

I have been told that running 110 or higher race gas can rob my stock motor of pwr. Is that true? In formula forty at daytona the 750's have an advantage. I just want to close that gap as much a possible. For that track what should i run to get the most from my motor?