Whats up with Formula 40 next year?

[rotoboge]

I have an '99 SV650 in totally setup race condition. My son raced it this year in CCS (most of the time took 1st). Contact me if intersted...

Old guys like me are maybe more financially secure, however, it still costs a ton to make all the races, all season. I will stick to my 600 in the F-40 class.  ;)

[hooter31]

i see your problem...you don't know the rules...if you have a 600 try racing gtu and you won't have to compete against 1000's ;Djust a sugestion ;)

[rotoboge]

The 600 I ride runs in the GTU, Unlimited GP, Unlimited Supersport, Middleweight Supersport, Middleweight Superbike, and Middleweight GP. It holds it's own in those classes with the 1000's, but the F-40 is for those of us that are lucky enough to still be around at 40! Keep those 1000cc 4 cylinders where they belong-out of the F-40...  :)

[r1owner]

i see your problem...you don't know the rules...if you have a 600 try racing gtu and you won't have to compete against 1000's ;Djust a sugestion ;)

As per Dave's observation, I race the 600 in that class as well.  :P

[Arnziffel]

If the 1000s were allowed in I would sell the 600 and go back to light weight myself .  The expert hw f40 usually represent the smaller number of riders on the grid now with lw drawing more and more, i think the 1000s will only make it smaller. Just my .02

[xseal]

While we're on it, what sense does it make to change F40 to SB rules?  While it may be true that there are guys out there running basically SS bikes with slicks, a bunch of well guys are going to show up with real SB's, with 160hp 750 engines.

Am I naive, but aren't DOTs like 208GPAs very close in capability to slicks?  Why open the class up just for "slicks" ? The cost different to create a competitive 750 (or 600) SS is much less than a SB.

[phillip]

CCS is the only regional series I know of that doesn't allow 1000ccs in the F40 class. Ok...go off and spout about some East coast or small local series, but WERA, WSMC, AFM all allow 1000cc from what I've been told. 1000cc is pretty new to inline fours (relatively) and CCS is so far the slowest to catch up with that.

WERA does not allow amateurs to ride 1000 fours! Max 750 fours and 1000 twins only.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Superbike rules make sense.  So many of the F40 guys are cheating, because they already have superbike motors to be competitive in other classes they run, but they don't want to be excluded from F40.  I've seen motors going together at my sponsor's shop, then raced against them in F40.  If I recall, cams and pistons are not supersport legal mods.  I knew they were "cheating" but I didn't protest, because I believe this rule change is long overdue.

[Super Dave]

Can I get a Formula K3? ;D

Talk to Phil Sberna about the new class he and I have painstakingly worked on.

One word:  Formula

Might get it for 2005.  


As for everyone buying 1000's...

Ah, no.  Didn't and hasn't happened.  Guys that graduate from pre F40 (those that aren't 40 years and up) still have 600's as a mode of racing transportation.  There has never been a great number of 1000's, or 900's through 1100's, raced.  

I know a few of them out there that have them for Superbike and Superstock in the AMA, and I'd be happy to get you in contact with them to buy them.  Good deals...  But there is no rush.  The exclusivity of a 1000 and the expense is usually beyond most people's budgets.  

I know that I can get a rear on my 600 to go down hill enough that after two races, starting with it new on the first one, I'm not going to race on it anymore...it's now a practice tire.  A 1000 is just going to eat up more stuff.  I'm out there to go fast, not to have a track day, so it WILL happen.

As for everyone buying 1000's...

If it were the case that everyone would buy one...

Unlimited Grand Prix and GTO offer money.  The 1000 is eligible in both of those classes.  There are no age restrictions.  So, given your logic, racers would be upgrading to have a 1000 in both of those classes to make more money, but that isn't the case.

I can't see where that logic says that everyone would buy a 1000 for F40.

And I seen no reason myself to complete destroy, and I used that word very carefully, the current structure of F40 to appease a very small population of riders.  We can't talk about potential riders.  I've always heard it, but seldom does anything really get more riders coming out.  

[hi-side_racing]

I do race a 600 in the F40 class and have for the past 2 years. Any rules change will not effect my ride of choice which is the 600. In the SW and Pacific regions the F40 was one of the most competitive its been in awhile this past year and all 5 of the top guys were on 600s, and all 5 also race the other middleweight classes.

[oldguy]

Plus, don't forget that there is more to SS rules than slicks. I'd love to ride my RC51 in F40, but with Ohlins forks and Brembo brakes I can't do it. I can, however, ride Valucycle Senior Superbike with these mods and so I had to make the decision which organization to ride. And those of you worried about fast riders on 1K bikes closing on small bikes oughta' ride an endurance race. I rode on a 750cc air cooled Ducati and was passed by AOD, Vesrah, et all at horrific differences in speed. Those guys are great riders and know how to make a pass. Granted, there are some substantial differences between endurance races and club sprints. I'd hate to run against 1K inline bikes in F40 because they are far superior to anything I have. As a 59 yr old rookie, not only do I have to go to work Monday, but I have to drive home. Tom, what say we work on a F60 class, LOL?  

[rotoboge]

I'd hate to run against 1K inline bikes in F40 because they are far superior to anything I have.  

Keep the in-line 4 cylinders 1000cc out of the F40. If the old guy needs that much advantage to beat others in the class, maybe he should consider not racing at all!