Whats up with Formula 40 next year?

[KBOlsen]

Kevin - Thank you for continuing to give us info "from the source".

Are you sure it's wise to combine Unlimited-class bikes with "lightweight" bikes such as SV's and Firebolts... which make up a substantial portion of the SuperTwins entries?

Just curious - what was the average number of entries in ULSS this year?

[CCS]

Averaged 20 bikes between Amateur and Expert Unlimited SuperSport.

Since SuperTwins grids are not made up exclusively of the smaller bikes, it remains a viable combination. while you may have the occasional SV vs GSXR pass, it won't be 20-1000's having to battle past 20 SV's by the halfway point. This is still just a proposal that has been given to the rules committee for consideration.

Thanks for the input.

[xseal]

Any estimate of when will we know if F40 is going to be under SB or SS rules for next year?

[Eric Kelcher]

In case Kevin does not get back on; most things the rules commitee decide or other rule/procedure changes are sent out with the Spring Daytona mailer I have noticed in the past.

[CCSRacer114]

In case Kevin does not get back on; most things the rules commitee decide or other rule/procedure changes are sent out with the Spring Daytona mailer I have noticed in the past.

Yep, but Spring Daytona mailer doesn't help those of us who race at Homestead in February!

[quicktoy]

HOMESTEAD  will be under this years rules

[Eric Kelcher]

Talked with Kevin Sat. Rules will be out in time for Feb Homestead

[Super Dave]

Define "In Time"...

The rules come out and then the racing starts, or the rules come out and you have a month to prepare a bike for the first race.  There is a difference.

[tomdavid]

I have read this thread with interest and many of you have made several good points. Just so that you know, I'm usually the oldest guy out there at 63 y/o, and also one of the slowest. I started motorcycle road racing just this past year, 2004, and did have a lot of fun. Here's my overall views on F40.

F40 and LWF40 are not classes made up of old slow guys. I get smoked just as badly in F40 as I do in HWSB and HWSS. Fast riders are fast regardless of what they ride and how old they are.

It just might be that F40 is a GSXR750 class. So what? They are cheap, available, last forever, and have great trackside support. For guys that work at bike shops that don't sell Suzukis I'd ask how many of them are over 40? I would suspect not many.

Since " spec " racing can be so sucessful as demonstrated by Nascar, SCCA's Formula Vee, etc, why change rules that do seem to work? In my experience with cars frequent rule changes are one of the surest ways to kill participation. There are too many examples to list but just consider how CART went in the tank in less than one year!.

I choose to race in CCS specifically because the tracks in the MW are close to me and it appeared that many of the racers were involved more for fun than with aspirations of going on to a big time pro career. It seems that a huge expenditure of either time or money isn't mandatory or even neccessary. I can afford to field 1st class equipment and the rest is up to me. That makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.  

Yes, I do know that there are several riders in CCS who have both the ability and the aspiration to develop towards " greater " things. That is a good thing as it provides both a training ground and a benchmark. But F40 sure seems like an inappropriate class for those sort of aspirations.

Further, I'm fully aware that what seems relatively inexpensive to me can be a ton of money to others, and there are folks that have many more $ than myself.  Again, isn't that a good reason to keep rules stable? Doesn't rule stability help keep costs down? Yes and Yes to those questions.

To be honest, my 02 GSXR750 is so much more capable than I am, I can't see any advantage to having more horsepower. At my weight, plenty , I do need a minimum of power to keep from getting eaten alive on the straight bits. The 750 does that for me and will probably be enough bike for me for at least a couple of years.

Thanks for the opprotunity to respond

Tom David

  

 

[wizard]

my vote is for 1K F40

[CCSRacer114]

Talked with Kevin Sat. Rules will be out in time for Feb Homestead

Eric,

Thanks for following up with Kevin for me.

[hooter31]

maybe i'm blind but i don't see how changing the rules to hwt superbike will help.i understand that approx. 40 riders were DQ'ed for running slicks in the f40 and trying to eliminate post race inspection would solve some problems.But i don't see the guys running 600's not complaining about running against 750 superbikes now.The guy on a 600 is going to have to buy a new bike anyway to compete against a 750 superbike anyway so whynot go 1 litre? ???Every brand has a bike that is able to win in the 1000 class,in the hwt class the is only one SUZUKI...as far as guys running slicks last year,how many were Ducati's???most i'm sure and how many of them were superbikes anyway... :-/just my 2cts.i will race whatever the rule commitee decides.FYI the guy who won the hwt sbk at the ROC was ED LIS,who got 2nd in the ROC f40race(great job ED)I have to go now my prune juice and rogain are waiting ;D