Whats up with Formula 40 next year?

[H-man]

Hear, hear!  :)  Very well put K3.  

You're quite the wordsmith.  You managed to call me both a friend and a codger in the same post  :-X :-[ :P ;)

  H-man

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Hear, hear!  :)  Very well put K3.  

You're quite the wordsmith.  You managed to call me both a friend and a codger in the same post  :-X :-[ :P ;)
  H-man

H?  You can run within 20 seconds of the winning pace now?  Awesome!  See?  I told you you'd get better with practice! ;D

[hooter31]

K3 i don't know if i know you and i do respect your  opinion but i feel you are missing the point of the f40 rules...it is a suzuki gsxr 750 cup race and if you are not on a suzuki you probably won't be competitive.as i said in my previous post run it in with the unl ss class and do the same with the lght f40 class combine it with one of the classes that have a small grid.you will get rid of one of the raceas and still have both classes.as far as the money people have spent building bikes for the class...welcome to racing,every year the factorys build better bikes and in most classes if your bike is more than a year old it is obsolete

[Arnziffel]

I would have to agree with Chris on all points except that the 6oo expert classes are not so bad, am yes.I found that running the regular 600 classes only makes me faster.
Sure wish they had decided to have a ltwt class before I sold the 125.

R1owner, I am waiting!!!

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Hey Hooter!
I don't believe we've met, but I've seen your back once or twice.  I don't think you've seen mine, because I'm not fast enough to dice with you or slow enough for you to lap.  I think I've raced with you at Daytona and Barber.  
Believe me, I know all about class changes being a part of racing.  I've bought or built 2 bikes for classes that disappeared the moment I took ownership, and have bought a few that were the hot ticket for about 10 minutes.  I even sold one that was made much more competitive by a rule change about 10 minutes after I let it go for peanuts.  Best of all, I was finishing as the first amateur in lightweight sportsman the year they decided to score EX/AM as one race.  Since that was the only class My EX500 was good for, I sold it and got something faster because I couldn't beat the experts.  When the Daytona mailer came out, CCS had decided to retally the points, declare regional AM champs, and have an AM ROC race!  %$#@!!!!  &%@#!!!!!! @#^%$%%^#@$%^!!!!!!!!  Then the guy I sold my bike to (who has NEVER beaten me in a race before or since) took my bike to Daytona and got a second place with it!  %&^$#@#$%*&*^%$#@%^&*^%$#$%^^&**&^%$#@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember what I said about the guys with 750 or supertwin bikes liking the smaller, less hectic grids?  Something tells me that CCS took that into consideration when F40 was originated.  If 1000cc bikes are allowed, then everybody will have to get one, because a 750 or 1000cc twin will be instantly obsolete.  I've seen Ducks, RC51s and even TLs win in F40 at the expert level, so a GSXR750 is not the only weapon.  (The best one, but not the ONLY one.)  
Forget all that.  1000cc bikes with expert riders aboard should not be lapping amateurs on 125cc bikes with fouled plugs.  Bad karma there....
Combining races and paying double entry fees does not work.  Had a friend forced to do that this year in ultra lightweight and lightweight supersport.  To be elegible for the ultra lightweight points, he had to start in the ultralightweight grid, back in the second wave.  This meant that he had no real chance in the supersport race, even though he'd paid to be in it.  Not fair to him, and not financially prudent to pay twice for one 8 lap race.
CCS probably needs fewer classes.  In my opinion, it doest't need 1000cc F40 bikes.  But I'd probably buy one if I had to....  Except that I really want an SV now.

[Super Dave]

.welcome to racing,every year the factorys build better bikes and in most classes if your bike is more than a year old it is obsolete

Obsolesence is in the eye of the beholder.

Yeah, how much faster is the new R6 vs the old one?

Ok, take one track and take one rider that rides both an R6 and an R1...

How much faster do they go on that track with, what, and extra 50HP?  Let's be nice and make if thirty.

For Denning at BFR, it was less than a second.

Usually the changes in bikes are necessary for contingency...doesn't apply for F40 and Suzuki money.

Are the winners of F40 just choosing GSXR750's because they choose so...or is it really better?

Didn't Jensen do pretty ok in Formula Sportbike in FUSA on his R6 at times?  Weight had to be correct, and he was underpowered.

Still always comes down to the rider and set up, doesn't it?

I still just think that F40 doesn't need to be a 1000 class.  

[hooter31]

i guess one of the reasons i want it to go to a 1 litre class is because a couple of the guys i race with are on 600's and feel the only reason i beat them is because i ride a 750...maybe if i build a sv650??? ;D ;D ;D

[Eric Kelcher]

Just thinking out loud wouldn't a new class for the 1000/4 for all riders be better than a class for a limted number of riders? IE  unlimited superbike vs unltd F40

[Ryan125]

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ONLY 1 F40. THOSE 2 CLASSES ARE ALREADY HAVE HARDLY ANY RACERS IN THEM ANYWAY. ITS KIND OF STUPID TO HAVE LESS THAN 10 RIDERS SHOW UP ON A GRID, AND THAT HAS HAPPEND MORE THAN A FEW TIMES!!! WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH RACES GETTING CUT SHORT. THEY CUT OUT SPORTBIKE THIS SEASON CAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS POORLY ATTENDED, AND THEY ADDED A CLASS (LWF40) THAT EVEN HAD SMALLER GRIDS.

[Super Dave]

Stop YELLING!

[CCS]

Let me address a few points I've seen.

We reduced classes last season so we could "open" up the race day, it seemed we had too many races that were red flagged and delayed causing us to shorten race laps every weekend. That being done, we started out with longer races this season (adding 2 laps in most circumstances) and the riders themselves voted numerous times to shorten the races back to the 8 laps (16 miles) that we had run previously. Go figure.

Lightweight F-40 was added BECAUSE it would be run at the same time as F-40 and not add another race to the weekend. (Overall F-40/LW F-40 turnout has gone from 20 last season to 32 this season, not enough to split the classes, but enough to justify continuing this format.) It will not change for 2005.

I have been bombarded by plenty of people who wish to have 1000cc fours included in F-40, but I can not see the benefit to the class, only the detriment of losing the 600 riders who make up the majority of the entries. The proverbial double-edged sword. My recommendation to the rules committee will be F-40 to run Heavyweight SuperBike rules so we don't have to disqualify another 40 riders for running slicks in the class like we did this season. Class viability still depends on entries, and we will strive to make certain the entry numbers justify the track time used by these classes.

In the spirit of the F-40/LW F-40 "partnership", the rules committee has been forwarded a proposal to run Unlimited SuperBike with SuperTwins, adding a class for those open machines without adding a race to the weekend. (SuperTwins combined only averaged 18 bikes per grid, and with the research the CCS Staff did, we would probably match those numbers with UnlSB.)

Complete information will be in the license renewal mailer coming out in the next 3-4 weeks.

See you at the races.

[Super Dave]

Thanks for the personal Reply, Kevin.

Have a beer on Kevin Clark. ;D