Friggin lappers!!!!

[khanson]

My turn to chime in a little late.  I guess I've been busy since I was actually racing in that race at Barber.

First off, John Jacobi is a very good and very fast rider.  Just look at the WERA championships he has won.

Next, lets look at the Superbike grid.  There were 56 people trying to make the grid for that race.  If you look at the times in qualifying throughout the year, many times the field is well under the 112% rule.  This means several riders made the 112%, but didn't make the numbered grid.

I can tell after having raced 9 out of 11 AMA rounds this year, the factory riders are extremely talented.  Yes the bikes are much better than normal privateers, however they ride the wheels off of them.  At the same time, people make mistakes just as Ben did.  Especially in that turn, there were so many different lines that people were running that were was several ways of making a safe pass there.

I raced the WERA weekend right before the AMA weekened at Barber and did the endurance race.  You want to talk about the 112% rule  turning into a 150% rule.  Try racing around there cresting blind hills on the gas on a 1000 and coming  up on stock SV650's with 100 hp differences.  Talk about a difference in closing speeds!  However, you find ways to get around people safely and still scare the crap out of yourself.  However, they have just as much right to be out there because of the rules.

If you did away with all of the privateers, you would have around 7 factory bikes out there and factor in their own crashes and you would have 5 people racing during the race.  Wouldn't that be entertaining!

If you look at the privateer field, most of them are your fastest club level guys that routinely wax everyone at a club event and have several championships under their belt.  Give the privateers a break, they're just trying to live their dream of racing on a much smaller budget.  I can assure you, AMA racing is about 5 times more expensive, and that's being generous, than club racing.

Have you Mr. Nuclear ever raced an AMA Superbike race and have an understanding of what it takes to compete at that level?  If not, then why are you chiming in?  
  

[mastersofmayhem]

This just off the AMASuperbike site:

Jacobi Responds
by dean adams
Wednesday, September 24, 2003
John Jacobi, who was involoved in the infamous Honda crash on Sunday at Barber Motorsports Park, sent us this e-mail ...

"I will not take any of the blame for the mishap at Barber. It is obvious on the replays that I didn't intend to turn in on Ben nor did I know he was there. My race is just as important to my team and me as the Factories and their riders. I have all the respect in the world for their riding abilities, but I should not be made out to look like the slow Incompetent rider. I have raced in enough World and National Endurances races to know all about lapped riders and yes blue flags are part of the solution. The AMA sets the criteria to be able to compete in Superbike races. Kurtis lapped up to 12th place and every rider from 12th back meets those criteria. In racing split second decisions are made and mistakes do happen. Racing also requires taking responsibility for your actions when you make a mistake."

Team Vesrah Suzuki
John Jacobi #49

[bmfgsxr]

    I realize that you personally are mad about the lapper situation, but you should check your facts before you blow-up like that!

     The last times and positions shown scrolling across the screen right before Ben's incident are as follows for the 4 racers involved:

     #17   Duhamel   1:27.263  (3rd place)
     #155  Bostrom    1:27.746 (1st place)
     #38   Mizdal       1:31.091  (19th place)
     #49   Jacobi        1:31.531 (16th place)

     Using Duhamels' time as the fastest and Jacobis' as the slowest, Jacobi was running at 104.89% of Duhamels time.

     I have replayed the incident multiple times at the different camera angles and it is very obvious that Ben is the one riding the uncommon line here. All 3 of the other riders involved (including Duhamel) were taking an almost identical line thru that corner. Ben had plenty of time and room to move over and follow Duhamel thru that turn, but instead got greedy and made a dangerous decision to pass 3 riders at once on the inside of the slowest corner on that track while carry alot of speed.

     The way I have always understood it is that the faster rider has the responsibilty of safely passing those in front of him, whether a lapper or someone their directly fighting with.

couldnt have said it better myself...

team nuclear, you are clearly shot.

[GregR6]

"the AMA needs to tighten up its rules, and institute the use of a blue flag"

If you want lappers taken out altogether, why would they need to use the blue flag?

[mtw]

allthough I see this thread has rightly died,I eas wondering if team nukesh!t saw the WSB races today,seems lowly backmarkers played a part in the results of a"world class"event

[Dawn]

Just let it die....   PLEASE!   ;)  :D

Personally, I think he started this thread just to see how long it would get.

Dawn

P.S.  Sorry, the record still belongs to KC_124 and the Sandbagger thread.

[ccs123]

I admit the guys in the AMA would lap me on probably lap 2!But I have 2 more years until I even meet the age requirement!I just  wanted to know why do you like lappers so much??? I was in Alabama and talked to Ben after Saturday and he was a little mad that the lappers were hitting him so hard. M y heart sunk after  I saw the crash I am a big fan o the Bostrom's. I can't remember your name but TEAMNUCLEUR doesnt know Rossi, but just for an example you'll see the Bostroms in a article with TEAMNCLEUR  being the author. They'll be riding 50's all day together!TEAMNUCLEUR doesn't know aaannnnnybody man...he introduced me to Eric,Ben,Jake,Kurtis,Miguel just to name a few. I muuust have beeen dreaming though!!!

[ccs123]

Blue flag = there is a race going on and you are not part of it. Round of applause for CCS please I was at Firebird and hit 5 lappers on y third lap and they waved blue flags at them!!!!!

[EX#996]

Grow up and learn how to spell...

Check your attitude at the door, it's not needed here.

I was at Firebird and hit 5 lappers on y third lap and they waved blue flags at them!!!!!

Perhaps you need lessons on how to pass.  

Dawn

[G 97]

I admit the guys in the AMA would lap me on probably lap 2!But I have 2 more years until I even meet the age requirement!I just  wanted to know why do you like lappers so much??? I was in Alabama and talked to Ben after Saturday and he was a little mad that the lappers were hitting him so hard. M y heart sunk after  I saw the crash I am a big fan o the Bostrom's. I can't remember your name but TEAMNUCLEUR doesnt know Rossi, but just for an example you'll see the Bostroms in a article with TEAMNCLEUR  being the author. They'll be riding 50's all day together!TEAMNUCLEUR doesn't know aaannnnnybody man...he introduced me to Eric,Ben,Jake,Kurtis,Miguel just to name a few. I muuust have beeen dreaming though!!!

LMFAO.  What a TOOL.  Blah, blah, blah......and your point is???????? 

Yes, I took the bait from the troll.

[ccs123]

HUH! What region are you part of, come out to Thunderhill if you're in the area and teach me, seriously. Oh my bad i forgot to put the M in my..what an idiot I am!!!

[ccs123]

Door? I don't see doors on the internet!!