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2009 rule change request
« on: August 21, 2008, 09:49:35 pm »
when do we get to submit ideas for rule changes?
i have one for now
moto st number plates since some are blue, be aloud in the team challenge without changing plate colors
and giving out an x if someone has the same number

or even for the 2008 Daytona R.O.C.
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 07:58:11 am »
Gary, now is a good time to start.

What you'll want to do is find the exact section of the rule book and write it in a way where it could just be placed in the rule book with the underline to show that it's new. 

Some kind of reasoning is good.  Really necessary to show cause for the change.  And getting your new rule idea in the hands of others to generate support will help too. 
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 08:56:16 am »
ok hows this

5.3 Number Display regulations
add...
Team and solo challenge number plates to be of adequate size and clearly legible
but color is up to the team/rider (such as Moto-ST blue)
also award X's in these classes due to bikes run in other series competing
once an X is given it is to be it is to be used all season by that team


hows that?

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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2008, 11:56:14 am »
ok hows this

5.3 Number Display regulations
add...
Team and solo challenge number plates to be of adequate size and clearly legible
but color is up to the team/rider (such as Moto-ST blue)
also award X's in these classes due to bikes run in other series competing
once an X is given it is to be it is to be used all season by that team


hows that?


i disagree with it, reason being, CCS shouldnt have to change the rules due to competitors of other series not wanting to adjust there bikes as required to run CCS. Also its not that hard to take some white vinyl and and get some #s to comply with the rules. People who share bikes in sprint races have no problems doing this (even with back to back races), i cant see it being to hard to change the # plates on a bike that should have plenty of time between races
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 11:43:21 am »
i disagree with it, reason being, CCS shouldnt have to change the rules due to competitors of other series not wanting to adjust there bikes as required to run CCS. Also its not that hard to take some white vinyl and and get some #s to comply with the rules. People who share bikes in sprint races have no problems doing this (even with back to back races), i cant see it being to hard to change the # plates on a bike that should have plenty of time between races
I see no where in the CCS rules where a lack of number plate is allowed...but it has been...
http://www.gron4.com/2008/082408/teamchallenge/70/

I've seen numbers like that in WERA, but never allowed in CCS until above.  Is CCS making allowances that are unknown to some competitors?


Sorry, Paul. 
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 01:35:32 pm »
Hey Paul,

Thanks for the case of beer!    :thumb:


(Just kidding...... not sure how that one slipped thru)
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 09:16:55 pm »
Ha ha SD .......tech didn't say anything until......the practice session was over.
Nothin good ole white duct tape can't fix :) 8)
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 02:52:36 pm »
Just got the ROC flyer in the mail and noticed the proposal for banning the 1098 from Heavyweight classes. I think this would be a bad move.

There is almost no chance that a 180hp GSXR is going to be beaten by a 155hp 1098.

I am thinking about racing a 1098 next year in SuperTwins and HWSBK but there is no chance I will be racing it against the open class bikes.
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 07:14:10 am »
I'm not a fan of that idea either. The 1098 is not competitive against the open class bikes plain and simple. I think the 1098 fits in fine as a heavyweight especially since hp is the same as a 750 I4.  I could understand the 1198R not being allowed to play in the heavyweight class but the base 1098 puts out around 140 hp in stock form.

Of course I think its rediculous to see 1200 cc Buels in the lightweight class.

Just my thoughts...
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2008, 11:02:47 am »
I'm not a fan of that idea either. The 1098 is not competitive against the open class bikes plain and simple. I think the 1098 fits in fine as a heavyweight especially since hp is the same as a 750 I4.  I could understand the 1198R not being allowed to play in the heavyweight class but the base 1098 puts out around 140 hp in stock form.

Of course I think its rediculous to see 1200 cc Buels in the lightweight class.

Just my thoughts...
My GSXR750 was at about 130, and that was with a thinner base gasket and a simple go through on the engine.  That seems to be on par with 848's? 

140HP stock and an extra 350cc's?  I'm all for the 1098 being in Unlimited.

As for a 1200cc air cooled Buell, having been on one, and putting one over my own scales at 452# post race, it's not a middleweight bike at all.  It has a 1203cc's of displacement, air cooling, pushrods, and a huge redline of less than 7k.  It's tractor technology with fuel injection.  Cool fuel injection, yeah, but there is no opportunity to increase the RPM's so substantially above it's efficiency point to make any huge in roads into making more power.  Nor does it have any stock ram air like many bikes in Middleweight and above classes.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2008, 11:05:12 am by Super Dave »
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 11:28:51 am »
An average GSXR 750 with a pipe and map will make 140hp at the wheel. If you had a thinner head gasket and made 130, that is likely a product of a very stingy dyno, where you would see roughly the same numbers from a 1098.
Remember, this is for Superbike where you can change cams and so on. Is 150 hp out of the question for the GSXR?

Again, with the open class bikes making upwards of 175hp, how can the 1098 possibly compete?
Yes, you will occasionally see a $45k 1198r making 170hp, but that is not going to be normal...
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Re: 2009 rule change request
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 11:31:49 am »
Well we can play the game back and forth about who has the displacement advantage verses the weight advantage verses the hp advantage...

I raced an 06 gsxr-750 at the beginning of this season and mine made 139hp on U4. My 1098 makes about 148hp with a full system and race ecu.
I dont see a huge advantage anywhere.

What I see is a massive advantage for the 1000 against the 1098 compared to the advantage of the 1098 against the 750. From where Im sitting the field is more level as it already is.
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