08 LW class rules

[truckstop]

I'm so mad!! So, so very mad - I think mostly because it was so completely unexpected. Yeah, this is the end for all the little oddball bikes in CCS. :(


I mean, yeah, I know, we had a teeny class with barely any entries, so I should just get some newer machinery and stop my bitching or whatever, but I'm still mad.

We were running ULWSB with LWSS this past season, I was always in the back, so how did stuff shake out in the front? Is that what precipitated this change? I have no fears for Gary and Barney, cos it seems they can hold their own just fine... The old little twins are dead meat with SB prepped SVs though.

[tomholiday]

Its really nice that I have already spent quite a bit of money on my bike to be somewhat competitive for next year in ULWSB only to find out that SB prepped SV's are now allowed to run in this class. umm, aren't they already quite competitive in LW? F.

[tomholiday]

maybe i wasn't paying attention or since i am pretty new to all of this i didn't know where to look, but is there a post that mentions "proposed" rule changes prior to them being approved?

[HAWK]

You ULWSB guys and gals need to get together, ALL of you, and send a message to CCS ( Eric.Kelcher@ccsracing.us ) loud and clear that you oppose this change. Backlash last year moved the R1200S prevented the R1200S from competing  in LWSS. Change is possible if you show management there is a need but you need to make your voices heard.

[truckstop]

Like I mentioned, I think I'm as upset as I am, because this was completely unexpected. I'm curious to see what the actual rules will state, and what the prep level of the new bikes allowed in the class will be. I'm *hoping* that they'll be no more than SS spec, and that SB spec SVs will stay in LWSB.

I'm guessing that any of the SV riders that had issues with Buells being LW bikes didn't intend to be dropped down a class, but it still would have been nice to know that this was the route that was being considered.

Edit: Thanks Paul, it's good to know that there may be some recourse.

[funsizeracing]

This is very unexpected.  I guess the final decsion will be made when they print the rule books?

[roadracer162]

Does the SV still hold the lap record at Daytona (AMA course) for the Thunderbike class? And it is now a Ultra light bike? This doesn't make sense. I could understand the argument to not allow the F2 into the Lightweight SS classes and maybe even the  LW SB but to make the SV legal for Ultralight SB seems ridiculous. I would have loved to see that SV proposal because the same goes for the F2 into LW.

Dave any comments?

Mark

[funsizeracing]

Why not bump the Buells and Ducs up to MW and allow SB specs?  That seems like less of a stretch.

[Ridgeway]

Yep.  Don't agree with the direction this is pointing to for LW at all.  Going to need 90 - 100HP to play soon?

[HAWK]

Unfortunatly I believe the 2 bikes driving this rule change will make the cost of being competitive in LW more than MW. Kind of a change of role.

[Super Dave]

Which bikes?


I don't know of any place where there is a list of proposals other than just popping them up someplace.

I have proposed running grids by points for years, but I will admit that I became tired of trying to drum up support for a lot of road racing things for a few reasons.  One, it's hard to generate support for effective change with riders that rotate out in a matter of two to four years.  Second, club racing is what it is.  It's participant driven, but it could be better. 

I'm still mad that races at Blackhawk Farms Raceway, where there have been four to six rounds of CCS regional racing every year for over ten years, gets no written coverage support.  As a CCS operated region, this is what supports a lot of what doesn't make money in the nation.


Back to the approval stuff...

Just stating "approved" doesn't say to much.  Until there's an actual list of the new rules structure, things are kind of on the edge.  Additionally, there might be other rules that we don't know anything about.  For several years, CCS rules for fuel was written in a way that made pump gasoline illegal for CCS competition. 

I don't know when we'll see rules, maybe someone from the office would leak and info out, I don't know. 

[HAWK]

I think LW was pretty stable till the BMW and DUC popped up last year. There was quite a little firestorm about that which ended up seeing the BMW outlawed in LWSS but the current SV riders might consider that this rule change may well find the BMW moving into the LWSS class as well.

Like was mentioned, 95+HP to be able to run in LW? Then what is that going to do to reliability?

Of course the SVs will probably remain competitive in LW for a couple years but the damage to ULW will be done overnight.