NEED HELP! F2'S IN LIGHTWEIGHT CLASSES!

[Super Dave]

Well, anything on the cheap can be done more expensively.  So, any cheap class can be built out of budget.

Aren't track days the least expensive form?  There are no rules?

Or are we dealing with issues that it goes back to Guy's response to more purse races that I always want...everyone puts $20 in a hat...

Similarly, a bunch of guys got together in the Northwest and developed a CB160 class.  Ultimately, Chris, I understand what you want, but I don't see CCS being able to effectively reduce the opportunity for spending. 

Still,

Entry level racing is racing with what you have.  A lot of riders start racing on 600's because they have them already.  Sometimes they sell them outright to buy smaller machines, wisely, to reduce their day to day racing costs.

Meanwhile, it seems like track day guys do like the opportunity of 750's and 1000's more so than racers.  Back to day to day affordability, etc., and the risk differences with track days.

[mwsportsimaging]

Wow,

That was cool!

Thanks Dave

[Super Dave]

If you liked that...  Go for a   Not sure if the link works, but...

[sauce]

i would like to see the f2's in lwsb & lwgp. most people wont spend the cash to build them & if they do their sick.chris your right on with your post.oh ron your right no like's a bragger(quit stealing my lines).

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

I want them to allow me to use my Dakota in Thunderbike.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Just wondering.  I've been out of the loop for a while, so help me out.  F2s are legal in Thunderbike, right?  Most of the bikes that run LWSB, LWGP and LWGT are also legal for Thunderbike, right?  So do F2s dominate Thunderbike, or are they just another competitive motorcycle?
If F2s are merely competitive and not dominant in Thunderbike, why couldn't they compete against the same machines from the Thunderbike grid when those machines compete in LWSB, LWGP and LWGT?  Aren't F2s pretty much the only Thunderbike-legal machines that aren't also eligible for those other classes?
Like I said before, I have no stake in this other than that I have an opinion.
Again, not trying to be a rabble rouser but merely trying to understand the situation.  Does the F2 have a major advantage at Daytona, and that's why riders of other machines fear it?  Really, what is the problem from a performance standpoint?  Are there F2 Thunderbikes out there that would leave the rest of the Lightweight non_SS bikes for dead on a consistant basis?

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Here's another bit of food for thought.  The way CCS writes the rules, they always make ambiguious statements toward types of motorcycles.  Why not be more specific?    If you said that, "An F2 must use the stock, unaltered frame,subframe, swingarm and gas tank," you'd pretty much kill the 350lb F2 threat, wouldn't you?  The FZR560 was exempted from Thunderbike because of the barrels and head not being from the same bike as the frame, but preformancewise, it would have been perfect for that class.  Why not an, "FZR 600 barrels and head allowed on FZR560 machine," rule?  Hell, they do it in car racing all the time and it works great.  Limit the port size on a rotary Mazda, allow more displacement on an MGB, limit the brakes on a 280Z to a certain size and all of a sudden these cars are all competitive with one another.  Isn't this supposed to be about competition and full grids?

[F2RGK]

i would like to see the f2's in lwsb & lwgp. most people wont spend the cash to build them & if they do their sick.chris your right on with your post.oh ron your right no like's a bragger(quit stealing my lines).

Be quiet or I'll send your password back to cyberspace!!!  :))

[EX_#76]

Here's another bit of food for thought.  The way CCS writes the rules, they always make ambiguious statements toward types of motorcycles.  Why not be more specific?    If you said that, "An F2 must use the stock, unaltered frame,subframe, swingarm and gas tank," you'd pretty much kill the 350lb F2 threat, wouldn't you?  The FZR560 was exempted from Thunderbike because of the barrels and head not being from the same bike as the frame, but preformancewise, it would have been perfect for that class.  Why not an, "FZR 600 barrels and head allowed on FZR560 machine," rule?  Hell, they do it in car racing all the time and it works great.  Limit the port size on a rotary Mazda, allow more displacement on an MGB, limit the brakes on a 280Z to a certain size and all of a sudden these cars are all competitive with one another.  Isn't this supposed to be about competition and full grids?

Right on brother!!

[Super Dave]

Don't make a domination, or lack thereof, an issue of the bike.  Often, it's the rider.

If Ed decided to race an F2, F2's would be dominant in Midwest Thunderbike.

An F2 in supersport trim should be capable of a 1:12 in supersport trim with a rider riding it like it should be ridden. 

I don't see where that would be in the spirit of LWSS.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Has an F2 ever done a 1:12 at Blackhawk?  I'm sure a few good riders have raced them.

[Super Dave]

Good question.

In 1993, the fastest supersport F2's were more than capable of doing 1:14's at Blackhawk Farms.  High HP F2's were in the 89 to 94HP range and weighed more than 400 pounds.

In 2003, two seconds dropped of 600 lap times with the new surface compared to 2002, 1:13's being the fastest, the fastest 600 lap time was put down in 2001, actually, at a 1:13.6 and change. 


Better tires are available for the F2 now than were available during the time the bike was raced.  That with a proper set up would lead to that time.  I know of some heavy bikes that can put a 12 down at Blackhawk as it is.