Friday (Thursday) Practices?

[G 97]

You are correct Dave.  Although it was an option I tended to not make it a focal point in the Midwest.   With that being said it will be implemented and utilized starting in 2007 and going forward.  It really should not be a big deal, I agree.

I don't know what the great concern is because if someone is truly at an advanced skill level it only would take about 10 minutes to demonstrate this on the track with any CR.  We don't want Advanced level riders in Intermediate.  Demonstrating it on the track should be no big deal.   In my experience it is the ones who are marginal or who are not Advanced that make the most fuss about this.   I just know that if I, myself participated in another track day and were placed into Intermediate that I would not care because I have faith in my riding abilities and skill level that would allow me to get moved up.  It's not like I'm giving anything up at 9AM on a green track anyway.

A quick story to illustrate this was when Rob Jensen came to our event a few years ago and was in the Intermediate registration line as he was restricted by our systems as a new member from signing up In Advanced.   I had already moved him to Advanced on paper.  So when I saw him, I called out and motioned him over towards the Advanced line. I went on to inform him that I went ahead and put him in Advanced, sorry for the hassle, etc.   He basically shrugged it off and stated no big deal as he figured we would move him up after the first session anyway after seeing him ride.  

[G 97]

when i asked you ... you told me an expert licence wont do but an ama licence was required to walk into the a group. i got a good laugh either way 

Rob, I must have made an exception just for you.     You know, one of them sweetheart deals that I am always making.    Sorry man. 

[251am]

  Dang, a couple successful moto business guys in the country call you a parasite. I'd think it would be time for a gut check. Nope, not Rosnot. 

[JBraun]

Actually you need an FIM license. Not that it matters because we put all STT instructors in the Beginner group anyway.  

Oh well. Maybe I'll learn something...

[251am]

-----Original Message-----
From: Visionsports, Inc. - Dave Rosno Imailto:visionsprt@netwurx.net] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 4:32 AM
To: Cloyd Garth
Subject: Re: BFH NESBA event
I probably won't attend
Weather, one, wear on machinery, two. And unless someone needs me, I don't do track days. 4/18/2003

  Gosh Rosnot, it looks like the only person putting words into your mouth was....? 

[Super Dave]

Hey, Tood, if you have time, you could read the whole thread.  It's a few pages back.

[251am]

Hey, Tood, if you have time, you could read the whole thread.  It's a few pages back.

Yeah, I read the whole thread, from the beginning when it started a few days ago. Where did you do some editing for us all?!        

[Super Dave]

Um, sorry, I think there were plenty readin' as I typed. 

Garth and I know each other well enough, I'd say, that he pretty much reconizes my banter.     Whether he and I agree or not.  Still respect him for that.

Good day!

[G 97]

I don't do NESBA days anymore because the price is just way too high and I know some of the control riders are first class ass holes. I've been cursed at and refused a bump up when I have passed them and left them in the dust. Not all of them. But some of them conduct themselves like retards in a candy store. I was running 1:17.8's at Putnam and was told I "wasn't fast enough" to be moved to advanced. 
I will add that I have met Garth and I will say he is a stand up guy. Super nice guy without question. Just making that clear. No knocks there. But until you switch out your control riders, I wont be back. 
I do have to question the costs though. I know there are bills to pay and all of that. But it's VERY common for other organizations to do track days for $50.00 less, the same number of control riders, the same amenities at the track, and zero membership fees, and control riders that can conduct themself in a socially acceptable manner. So why is it NESBA is so much more and where is all that $$$ going if it's a "True" not-for-profit??? Not that it matters really. Because of your control riders I wont be back either way. So no biggie on that. Just curies.
It is legal for a not-for-profit organization to spend up to 80% of their earned resources on things other than the cause it self.

Sorry for the delay in response with this.  I wanted to make sure that your issues were completely addressed and that the corrective actions were implemented prior to responding.

Although I was not aware of your specific situation, rest assured that swift and corrective action was taken.  Effective immediately,  all MW NESBA Control Riders will have their pay cut in half and be forced to work weekends. 

Of course you had a great opportunity to address your issues directly with me while at the track or at the CCS banquette while you sat right next to me for 3 hours, but chose not to.  FYI, 1:17's at Putnam  are Unremarkable.   

[Court Jester]

like i said, the issue isn't with you and i've riden with you at putnam and talked to you several times. you've been great on and off the track and i did tell you while sitting there at the table at the banquet that i did do a trackday with NESBA (cause i talked to you that day at putnam) and i also told you that i don't do them with NESBA any more. though we were both a little drunk at the banquet.
but i think holding your CR to a solid standard would be much better for NESBA than a BS reply. i can assure you, there are more folks than just myself that are putting our time and money to other track orgs because of the conduct of your ill placed CR.  but a BS answer only shows that you can't or aren't willing to fix the problem. but you handle it as you see fit. that's not my choice to make. i can't say i expected much more than that from NESBA as a whole.

[Sklossmonster]

I don't remember the aforementioned incident at Putnam nor do I know which CR you had this experience with, so I can't comment on it specifically, but as a Control Rider for NESBA I can say that it's not uncommon for people to break the rules and then be pissed off they weren't rewarded for it.

If you can run smooth, consistent 1:17's at Putnam, without breaking the passing rules of the Intermediate group, and are considered to have a similar pace at other area tracks, you would definitely be moved into the Advanced group by any CR you would happen to be working with. (assuming your bike would pass tech for the Advanced group)

Where we have issues are usually with riders who think lap times are all that matter, and don't bother following the passing rules of whatever group they happen to be in.  These riders often think all they have to do is go faster than any rider in an orange shirt to prove their merit for the next group. 

Unfortunately, the CR's don't know they're racing you, they think they're setting an appropriate pace for the situation, and working with riders to improve their skills. That's why the passing rules exist, and why those "assholes" are wearing orange shirts.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I was "left in the dust" by a Beginner group rider, or told by an Intermediate group rider "I could've passed you" while I was trying to show them something that they obviously didn't get. 

It's unfortunate you had one bad experience, with one CR, at one track day you did with NESBA, and I'm not really sure what the point is in bitching about it on the CCS forum, but it doesn't really matter since it sounds like you've already found the solution to your problem.

[G 97]

Hey Mike, I don't recall meeting you or discussing anything with you while at Putnam.  In fact the one and only time I can remember meeting you was while at the CCS banquette.  Also my recollection on the conversation we had at the CCS banquette was mostly focused on you wanting to become a Control Rider for NESBA and that is when you gave me your Jester Racing business card.  You never brought to my attention any issues you had - prior or current - with any of the CR's. 

I'm curious, what Putnam date you are talking about and what issues or problems with the CR's did you bring to my attention and what was my response.   The only issue from your prior post that you have is that you did not get bumped to the Advanced group.  Is this correct?   I am all about problem resolution but when I have no specifics to work from it really limits what I can do towards helping you.   Waiting your reply.