Friday (Thursday) Practices?

[251am]

Unfortunately, the CR's don't know they're racing you,shirts.

Hey Marshall-are you still a CR and how did you become one? How long did it take?

[G 97]

Hey Mike, still waiting to help you with your issues.  Please let me know what Putnam date you participated in.  What issues you have with specific CR's.  and what you specifically discussed with me while at the track and what was my response.   What can I do to help you? 

[HAWK]

I have a question about the NESBA bump policy. I ride an SV650, I enjoy the twisties, I also HATE having some hamfisted rider on a 600 blow by me 2/3 of the way down the straight only to literally park it a hundred feet before I even get to my brake marker thus killing my corner and I am not allowed to pass. I happen to be one of those who follows the class rules to the letter and  from all I've heard I'm not sure I would survive a NESBA day. I am not trying to make trouble here, but I have had more than a few  trackdays ruined by this exact situation.

[G 97]

Paul if you have never experienced a NESBA day first hand I would encourage you to participate with one prior to making any conclusions.  I have no idea what group you would be placed in but we have no passing restrictions in the Advanced group.  For Intermediate we have passing restrictions – no passing on the inside of corners.   In Beginner – NO passing at all in the corners. 

For sure there are variable degrees of skill level at any track day.  As you know there are also variable degrees of equipment.  If you are in Intermediate passing is allowed on the outside of the turn.  So if you find that someone is "parking it" to such a degree that it drastically impedes your own corner speed – you can simply pass the rider on the outside.

I will also say that from my experience you will not find too many, if any, riders on 600's braking 100 feet prior to the brake markers in the Intermediate group.   A majority of this is restricted with the Beginner group because if they are braking 100 feet prior - they will get bumped down to the Beginner group or if already in Beginner, they will not get bumped up to I.  Plain and simple. 

This is the great thing about NESBA's bump policy, you will not find too many riders who are riding in a class that is above their own abilities.   Think of it along the lines of quality control.   I am so confident that if you ever chose to participate in a NESBA event and if what you describe happens to you on a regular basis I will give you 100% refund.   

Without seeing it first hand and only going from what you are describing to me.  If another rider was braking 100 feet prior to myself hitting my brake markers I would simply pass him prior to the turn in point.     

[G 97]

I don’t do NESBA days anymore because the price is just way too high and I know some of the control riders are first class ass holes. I’ve been cursed at and refused a bump up when I have passed them and left them in the dust. Not all of them. But some of them conduct themselves like retards in a candy store. I was running 1:17.8's at Putnam and was told I “wasn’t fast enough” to be moved to advanced. 
I will add that I have met Garth and I will say he is a stand up guy. Super nice guy without question. Just making that clear. No knocks there. But until you switch out your control riders, I wont be back. 
I do have to question the costs though. I know there are bills to pay and all of that. But it’s VERY common for other organizations to do track days for $50.00 less, the same number of control riders, the same amenities at the track, and zero membership fees, and control riders that can conduct themself in a socially acceptable manner. So why is it NESBA is so much more and where is all that $$$ going if it’s a “True” not-for-profit??? Not that it matters really. Because of your control riders I wont be back either way. So no biggie on that. Just curies.
It is legal for a not-for-profit organization to spend up to 80% of their earned resources on things other than the cause it self.

Mike, still waiting on this. 

[rugbymook]

I have a question about the NESBA bump policy. I ride an SV650, I enjoy the twisties, I also HATE having some hamfisted rider on a 600 blow by me 2/3 of the way down the straight only to literally park it a hundred feet before I even get to my brake marker thus killing my corner and I am not allowed to pass. I happen to be one of those who follows the class rules to the letter and  from all I've heard I'm not sure I would survive a NESBA day.

I ran a SV650 from "Beginner" to "Advanced" and don't think it shoud be a problem.  I have been a CR since last year, and can tell you if you are ready for the next level, 600's are no problem.  I would assume that you are at least in the "I" group, since you have an amateur race license.  Set them up and pass them smoothly.  Easy-Peasy. 

[Jason748]

I've ridden with NESBA a few times, the only issue I have every really encountered was on the out lap of the first session, I ended up the last rider in a pack and almost ran over someone who was braking about 100 ft too early, but it was the out lap.  I just remember to pay VERY close attention to the riders around me.  I ride in the "I" group and have never had a problem other than the slight irritation with a few 1000cc guys that would pass down the straights, but hold me up slightly thru the corners.  But that's nothing a quick trip through pit lane won't fix.
Could I bump up to "A", probably but I've never bothered to ask because I actually enjoy riding at a slower pace and It gets me very comfortable in traffic, forces me to be more attentive of the riders around me and has taught me how to better pass around the outside.

My only real bitch with NESBA I have (and it's a minor one) is what's up in tech inspection with regards to the chain adjustment...  I go through and get rejected because my chain is "too stretched" according to the factory marks on my swingarm, well it was a brand new chain, and I was running non-stock gearing.  Go back, peel off the factory "adjustment" sticker come back through tech and breeze through no problem, with the same inspector... 

But overall I've never had any major issues with NESBA and I think they run a solid program.

[Court Jester]

Mike, still waiting on this. 

Yeah.... me too. 

I do have to question the costs though. I know there are bills to pay and all of that. But it's VERY common for other organizations to do track days for $50.00 less, the same number of control riders, the same amenities at the track, and zero membership fees, and control riders that can conduct themself in a socially acceptable manner. So why is it NESBA is so much more and where is all that $$$ going if it's a "True" not-for-profit??? Not that it matters really.

[G 97]

Mike your statements are nothing but fiction. 

You have never been a member of NESBA.  You have three accounts set up and none of them have ever been activated or associated with a membership.   Two of them have absolutely ZERO event activity, while only one shows that you signed up for 1 event in Putnam with the INTRO group, get this – on September 12 2004. (First two sessions in Beginner for free program.).

You said you were doing 1:17's at Putnam and did not get bumped to Advanced.  This would be impossible to occur given that you were in the INTRO group.  You saying this is PURE FICTION.   

You said that you discussed this with me at the track.  This would be impossible to occur given that I did not work this event.  This was a Honda order program cut off and reconcile - drop dead date and I was unable to make this event.  You stating that you discussed this with me is PURE FICTION. 

You were so emotionally upset with the overall attitude of the NESBA CR's that you waited a full 30 months prior to expressing your concerns.  Not with NESBA directly, mind you, but on a CCS forum with an entirely made up story.   BRILLIANT     

[Court Jester]

Actually, I ran one other date with a friend of mine. I did not plan on doing the event and I did not pay a membership fee. Infact I wasn't sure I would make that date so I just made the two hour drive, played dumb, lied my ass off, and the old lady let me pay cash with the agreement that if a charge was made to my credit card, it would be refunded.
I did run the full day, I did not get a membership, and I did talk to you at the track. If you think about the conversation at the banquet... you just stated you didn't make that date that you found on you logs, but you do remember me speaking to you at one nesba date while you were fiddling with the Honda dirt bike (whatever it was) that you were think of using as a motard.  This is were you told me you were a Honda rep and I remember you telling me that oddly enough, you were the only Honda rep (maybe one other person) that even road. If I can dig them up, I have pictures of that day and a few on board videos.
I didn't post much of a reply because arguing over the Internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. But I think you proved a gleaming point in NESBA's  lack of professionalism when you went through the company's documents and PUBLICALY posted information solely to make yourself look better. Which I feel you have yet to accomplish. Nice try though. 
Keep in mind, I at no point directed anything negative at you personally. Just one heavyset control rider with dark hair and a mustache. That's all I know about the guy. It's great that you are so willing to stand up for NESBA. Considering your position I think it's expected. But there is a right way and a wrong way to handle every situation. I would look into the facts a little more and stop using a company's documents and posting it up as public information. But hey, it is NESBA. Right?
I simply stated my opinion and the reasons behind it. If you want to take it farther. Fine. PM me or give me a ring at 608-988-6384. or hell, just come over to the house and we'll hash it out over the grill and a few rum and cokes. but a computer pissing match is about as childish as it gets man. But again, it is NESBA.
I'll see if I can find some pics or vids when I get home. Thanks for making another point for me. And stop taking shit so personal.

[Court Jester]

so when you gonna answer my question about the cost???

[Jeff]

Northeast Sportbike Asociation of Mohnton, PA is a recognized non-profit org by the IRS.  Financial details are public knowledge but you may have to request them in writing (and the forum doesn't count).  I'm not sure.  Check with www.irs.gov for clarification.

And speaking of bashing/baiting/ranting/finger-pointing, I see it from just about every direction in this thread which has pretty much become pointless...  The entire thing is a no-win scenario for those involved.  Just my humble opinion.