Friday (Thursday) Practices?

[Jeff]

Tim, issues like this aren't necessarily as black/white as they may seem and trying to completely understand it is an exercise in futility.  From my perspective, it's between VRS and NESBA.  They can work it out...

Just my $.02...  I'll bow out now and enjoy the show.  Ignore my smart-ass comment a few posts back.  Simple levity Garth...

[tstruyk]

I hear ya Jeff, thats part of the reason I mentioned if it were "my" business (actually I mentioned from a business standpoint) I wouldnt be discussing it in a public forum.  Things like this tend to act like a pile of dog poopy.  the more you poke around at it to see what it consists of the more it stinks and makes the mess bigger.  Not trying to solve anything, just understand...

I've tried to understand NESBA thougths on several things and for whatever reason cant grasp where they come from.  not that I NEED to know, but if I where to understand the process better.

I didnt eat lima beans when my mom said I had to "because she said so", I havent been really accepting of that answer ever since. 

moving on...

tim

[nesba]

It has nothing to do from him profiting from our event.  We have several third party vendors who provide services for our events.  It has everything to do with consistency on the track. If someone is following their own agenda out there i would see that as confission for a large portion of our memberbase who expect certain things from our instructors. 

Its not a difference in instruction its a difference in behaviour on the track.

Hope this helps.  Please dont hesitate to ask more questions.

[nesba]

hear ya Jeff, thats part of the reason I mentioned if it were "my" business (actually I mentioned from a business standpoint) I wouldnt be discussing it in a public forum.  Things like this tend to act like a pile of dog poopy.  the more you poke around at it to see what it consists of the more it stinks and makes the mess bigger.  Not trying to solve anything, just understand...

I've tried to understand NESBA thougths on several things and for whatever reason cant grasp where they come from.  not that I NEED to know, but if I where to understand the process better.


It is absolutely your business, just like everyone of our members has the right to question anything we do.  I am all about making our organization better.

[tstruyk]

to clarify, by my business I meant if it where my company, owned by me.

I understand about consistency.  I could see how having a group of new track day riders with Dave would be an issue, whereas admittedly an "Advanced" rider was allowed 3rd party instruction and caused (presumably) no problems.  Sometimes its easier to restrict a viable option to eliminate one that is not (in the opinion of the org) acceptable?  not to speak for you...

Regardless, as Jeff mentioned its between the two org's and has nothing to do with me... I got my answer.  Now I can sleep at night. 

[JBraun]

Question slightly off topic,
In my experience NESBA is a bit rigid with it's class structure. My question is, with the event being held before a race weekend, will they be more flexible in allowing new members like myself to ride in the advanced sessions?

I am an expert racer and rider coach with STT. But in the past those qualifications have not earned me "advanced" status with NESBA.

If I buy a membership and pay the fee to attend the RA event, will I have to spend my day in the intermediate group?

[Sobottka]

get bumped or must have ama licence for a group 
make arrangements for a bump on your first session... and keep your fingers crossed!! 

[nesba]

Expert race license will get you in Advanced

[G 97]

Actually you need an FIM license. Not that it matters because we put all STT instructors in the Beginner group anyway.  

Fax, mail or scan and E-Mail a copy of your EXPERT race license along with NESBA member account information and you will be placed in Advanced.  


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[Sobottka]

when i asked you ... you told me an expert licence wont do but an ama licence was required to walk into the a group. i got a good laugh either way 

[Super Dave]

Expert race license will get you in Advanced

I can sat that that isn't always the case.  But I didn't think that was a big matter that would be a dramatic problem the day of the event.

[Court Jester]

I don't do NESBA days anymore because the price is just way too high and I know some of the control riders are first class ass holes. I've been cursed at and refused a bump up when I have passed them and left them in the dust. Not all of them. But some of them conduct themselves like retards in a candy store. I was running 1:17.8's at Putnam and was told I "wasn't fast enough" to be moved to advanced. 
I will add that I have met Garth and I will say he is a stand up guy. Super nice guy without question. Just making that clear. No knocks there. But until you switch out your control riders, I wont be back. 
I do have to question the costs though. I know there are bills to pay and all of that. But it's VERY common for other organizations to do track days for $50.00 less, the same number of control riders, the same amenities at the track, and zero membership fees, and control riders that can conduct themself in a socially acceptable manner. So why is it NESBA is so much more and where is all that $$$ going if it's a "True" not-for-profit??? Not that it matters really. Because of your control riders I wont be back either way. So no biggie on that. Just curies.
It is legal for a not-for-profit organization to spend up to 80% of their earned resources on things other than the cause it self.