Friday (Thursday) Practices?

[dylanfan53]

You maybe able to sweet talk someone at NESBA for a one day event thing.

I think you just cut your chances of the sweet talk thing working...

[RCR_531]

Its not that I won't pay for the trackday that is 185.00 or even pay a little higher as a non-member. I just don't want to pay 260.00 for the day. Just like paying 150.00 with Track addict you could get it for 99.00 if you join their group. I guess it all works out one way or another. Been here long enough. NEASBA ,Sportbike Track Time, Track Addict and all the other trackdays have their good points. Ride and be happy I guess

Dylanfan53 that is fine. I am not looking for a hand out. Just something that would be good for all non-NESBA members.

[Super Dave]

So, are there deals for sweet talkin'?  If there is, then that's a problem.  If it's non profit and it isn't driven by profits, why not offer licensed road racers an actual published price that is reasonable? 

I'm on the side that I know what it takes to rent tracks, as I've been in that position before, and everything in road racing is expensive.  But having sweet deal pricing that isnt' available to the general members, etc...well, that's when people aren't happy.

Just a thought.

I've rented Blackhawk Farms Raceway probably over twenty times, which probably was well over $100k...but I still go on-line and pay for practice, garages, electric like everyone else. 

[G 97]

Now that would be incentive for everyone to join NESBA membership:  don't join and get a special deal.  Hmmmm.....

There's something I just don't get here.  The membership buys something.  (insert - AGAIN - list of bennies)  It has value.  Whether your intention is to ride one day or 10 days, that's your decision.  NESBA still has to pay for those bennies.  NESBA still has to pay to rent the track no matter who chooses to ride or not ride.

Why is this any different than a non-racer saying, "I can only do one or two days this season, so I shouldn't have to buy a membership"?  How many times do we pay for something just so we can get the part we really want?  Why should a racer feel that they are entitled to getting more than what a track day rider receives?   

I only want to do one round of the CCS/ASRA series, what do you think the chances are that I can race with out buying a license?

I'm not trying to be dificult here as racers are more than welcome and we want them at our events but in reality and at the end of the day they are all riders on the track. 

[Dutch110]

No deals. Buy a membership or chose to not ride. There seems to be a misconception that NESBA intentionally grabbed these days in an attempt to benefit off the CCS event that was scheduled. Not true. The simple matter is when we first started going to RA these days were the only ones available to us to rent. They've been successful days. Our members love to ride RA. If some CCS guys want to come out and use our event for practice thats great too. But that's not the reason we hold them. The reason we hold them is because our members want us to as evidenced by the amount who attend these days. These are the same members who pay to join every year.

[Super Dave]

I've already engaged in this one before with Garth.  I think even a couple times over several years even.

I can't be convinced that the only opportunity for NESBA has been Road America in April immediately before a CCS race.  That type of date has been extremely risky for CCS even. 

They may have been successful, but they have also been successful because a reasonable number of racers, racers that spend to be successful, bring their hard earned money to NESBA in the form of  purchased memberships and purchasing track days that have been placed as the only opportunity to get open practice.

Deals?  Well, there again, there have been opportunities where dates were closed, but "some" were able to get in when it was closed to others.  Maybe you have changed this now, but it has happened in the past.  Does anyone want to recognize that gorrilla or just deny it?

[RCR_531]

Here you go Garth
What is a "One Event" License?
Answer - As the name implies, use this form to apply for a temporary CCS license that is good for one weekend only.

[mx558]

I've already engaged in this one before with Garth.  I think even a couple times over several years even.

I can't be convinced that the only opportunity for NESBA has been Road America in April immediately before a CCS race.  That type of date has been extremely risky for CCS even. 

They may have been successful, but they have also been successful because a reasonable number of racers, racers that spend to be successful, bring their hard earned money to NESBA in the form of  purchased memberships and purchasing track days that have been placed as the only opportunity to get open practice.

Deals?  Well, there again, there have been opportunities where dates were closed, but "some" were able to get in when it was closed to others.  Maybe you have changed this now, but it has happened in the past.  Does anyone want to recognize that gorrilla or just deny it?

+1

[Dutch110]

Dave if we are so awful why did you try and parasite off of our events for so long before being told to go run your own business on your own dime? Seems to me you have other motives in this discussion but maybe that's just me.

Believe what you want about how or why the events were scheduled like they were. Or how they came to be. Seems to me you are calling me a liar. Why would I lie? Why would I even care? If we'd scheduled them to take advantage of the CCS weekend I'd come out and say so. Fact is we didn't. I'm really not sure why you chose to call me a liar on that considering you have absolutely nothing to back up your assertion.

As to NESBA members also being CCS license holders, I'm sure there is some truth to that. What's your point? That the NESBA days at RA owe their success to racers coming out for practice? Judging from the level of complaining I see on here I kind of doubt it. Our Advanced class rarely sells out at RA. Unless of course you mean that CCS racers might actually only ride at a track day I or B pace and only ride in those classes? Which also shoots down your other assertion that Garth is letting in CCS guys when the day is full. I didn't see an RA date sell out last year in the A class so how is he letting people slide? 

I think there are definitely a few gorillas in the room. Unfortunately it seems like someone shaved them down and attempted to teach them how to type.

[Old808]

I think there are definitely a few gorillas in the room. Unfortunately it seems like someone shaved them down and attempted to teach them how to type.

Ouch! 

[proechel539]

I think it's all a crock of shit! CCS should have there owne dedicated pactice day. I dont want to pay a silly membership fee and pay additional  practice fees to another organization. CCS should sponsor the entire weekend and let the track day clubs find there owne weekends. I've been to track days on the west coast and only had to pay to ride, without a silly membership fee. Bye the way where does that money go?Guess I'll just have to accept the crap if I want track time on the East Coast.

(sorry just venting off a little steam)

Good day to all!

[Mongo]

Where does the money go?  To pay bills.  To give you an idea I believe JUST track rental is over 10k per day for RA.  Then add in corner workers, then medical, then insurance, then gate people and security, then then then then.... 

BTW - $80 for a day of practice unless you have so many riders you get no viable track time is ludicrous.