In VRS/CCS news...

[Super Dave]

Blackhawk Farms has a rate schedule based on how big of a company you are. Individuals are on the bottom, small companies like dealers and such are next, schools probably are next, racing organizations come in around here, manufacturers come in pretty high up.  CCS being with Clear Channel most likely pay top dollar.

I would say BFR is making a lot more money from renting the track to CCS than VRS.  It's the same old story, just like the whole Moto GP thing here in the states. MONEY!!

I do think they should have given VRS an option since they already had the dates, although it sounds like there wasn't a contract signed yet for 2003.

The move by both CCS and BFR sucks just by them not talking with Dave. It was a stab in the back from my understanding. They gave away his dates without ever consulting with him. That's bullsh-t.

Last year I believe five people with competition licenses can rent Blackhawk Farms for about $1200.  No ambulance, no corner workers.

As a business, I pay $2800 plus $20 per rider.  Then I pay $1500 in insurance.  Add another $500 for my cornerworkers.  How about lunch?  Books?  Shirts?  On going support for my riders.  How about throwing away my racing to help everyone else.  It is a cost of my doing business...

On the flip side, Brent was renting the track as practice and then farming it out as a school.  Sorry, Brent, where ever you are...  It's not ethical.  If something ever did happen, no ambulance, no insurance...

[Super Dave]

 unless Super_Dave could operate friday

That is Blackhawks time.  I can't have it.  No one can, not even CCS.

[Super Dave]

I was a contractor with CCS from 1993 to 2000, teaching the simple school for safety.  But I always tried to be a resouce for MY racers.  In 1999, I developed my own independent school so I could work with the guys that didn't want to be "fit in" to the Saturday schedule or just learn a couple of flags and be told that they were doing very well..."You too could start your career in motorcycle road racing like Racer X!"

So, at the beginning of 2001, CCE and CCS consolidated their "safety program" efforts, and I was not informed of any changes until I tried to get infomation on the schedule, etc.

Currently, I have received an offer to work with CCS on the "Sport Rider Day"  program.  Hey, great, there will be a staff and all.  I get to "work" with the riders for four to five sessions.  Then, they are free to "practice" in the regular groups.

First, that is the basic offer that I have received from Championship Cup Series.

Second, I find it disappointing that the Championship Cup Series has not taken the time or respect to attempt to understand the program that I offer.  

Third, I was screwed before by Championship Cup Series as a contractor, I don't see where I should invalidate my integrity of my program by offering something that does not help in the capacity that I have currently done.

Fourth, if you're offering it to me, how are you treating your offical school program in the area, Learning Curves.

As the Visionsports Riding School instructor, I made sure that I represented myself at virtually every event.  I made myself available at Championship Cup Series Races when I had offers to race somewhere else.  

I try to represent the concerns of other riders, amateurs and experts.  Occasionally, that doesn't make me the most popular guy with the officials, but I am looking out for our best interests.

Should this course of action continue, as it appears to be, I will change the function of my school to a different program that will ultimately force the students to set up the time and place of the program.  Additionally, I will potentially take the opportunities as they are offered in different areas for racing etc.  Indeed, there will be those times to patronize CCS, and there will be times where my money will go else where.

[Super Dave]

So, given offer from CCS that really only sees me doing instruction to complete novice track riders, I would be happy to start helping riders put together some dates and locations for my programs in 2003.  

I know that many of you were e-mailing and calling.  Pete, sometimes getting the word out on the board does serve to inform others about what's going on.  It is still a forum for discussion.

And thanks for your input...  What's the story about the Penske thing? :'(

[sportbikepete]

There is no Penske deal or issue. The "deal" in question is dead and should be left to rot. I agree with using the bbs for info but it was doing you no good by others bashing. And granted that not everyone on here knows your history that you just posted.

[andy342]

I look forward to taking the Visionsports school next year, wherever or whenever it is.  

That said, the present school day makes sense.   I thought the Nesba days were on Mondays in the past - why don't they replace those with the sport rider day?

[KBOlsen]

NESBA had 3 weekends at BFR this year... and I believe they will have at least that many in '03.  Pete would know better than I if their dates have been finalized.

[Super Dave]

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Thanks....

Yes, working within the NESBA frame work might work.  It might end up being a bit more expensive, but the class size would be smaller.  Would probably be limited to working directly with me.

[Bam55]

Thats funny what you said earlier, Dave "what if you live in Minnapolis and you are a radioligy tech" that is what Benji does! he said there is no way he can do this on a Wed. next year



 be heard everyone, as our verbal adversary Pete said,"make your voice one big one"


EMAIL KEVIN ELLIOT NOW!!!!! FLOOD HIM WITH MAIL NOW!!!!

[Super Dave]

Yeah, I was thinking of Benji....

Please e-mail each other.  Riders are only strong when they are together.  As individuals, we're just another rider.

But, regardless, I do not feel that CCS believe's it's in its best interest to change their course of action.  

Please do not expect Kevin Elliott to respond or demand that he does.  If I were him I would stay out of the public fray, myself.

[KBOlsen]

Avoiding the public fray...

Yes, CCS' silence is deafening.  Five threads on this BBS in two days is a pretty strong statement, I'd think.

[sportbikepete]

I must have missed something about knowing the NESBA schedule, I have no clue what their plans are. I'm just a member like everyone else.