In VRS/CCS news...

[Bam55]

First thing to Pete an other skeptics, I have been involved with Vision Sports for going on 5 years(hopefully) I will be there to account for Dave's ability as a guru, instructor, mentor, and whatever else we all decorate his effort as. For all of you, Dave is absolutely financially strapped from doing these schools. Has CCS done anything but take the diplomas from the schools we all taught? NO Dave doesn't even get a free license through CCS. As instructors we have never received financial reimbursement for any of our help aside from some pretty sweet deals on a helmet or body work. Dave, Monte, Mark, Russ, Andy, Brian, Mike B. , Jason, Mike JR., Mike SR., Megan,Kevin, Little Mike,Steve, and whoever else I've forgotten are loyal to VRS for one reason, at one point we ALL were racers stuck in that learning phase of some sort. Super Dave helped us all. You know every one of the VRS instructors have won a race at some point AFTER working with Super Dave. Would they have done it without his input, possibly.Would they have done it as quick, NO! Chances are that some of us may have been hurt at some point and never had the opportunity. What does VRS do, they help with suspension, gain confidence, lose seconds, and most important, makes you smoother which automatically means..... SAFER!!! So go ahead CCS take the day that Dave has made strong after 4 years of his money and hard work, and racers, tell everyone you know that even talks about going to ride on the Sport Monkey Thursday thatt CCS puts our place, DON'T DO IT!

[chris_chops]

I will sign a petition for VRS.  Somebody get a solid petition together on the importance of VRS and the thursday date.  I like that rep idea as well.  My pen is waiting.................

[sportbikepete]

You know I give up with you people, IT SUCKS THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED TO DAVE if you all feel so strongly about it GET TOGETHER as a group and do something about it instead of complaining here. I think we all agree that Dave supplies a valueable asset to racers, that is not the point. The point is that if you sit here and slander the track, CCS, and anyone else that does not agree with you it will get you NOWHERE. Get one big voice for Dave instead of a bunch of small ones. OK? jeeze.  ::)

[sportbikepete]

Thanks Chris, someone finally got the point.

[am125ike]

not bashin you pete, just voicing...
we all get to do that.....

and i hesitate to say that i usually tell street bikers to get as much track time as they can, and refer them wherever i know, but taking my time slot is bullshit.

YES, I believe that VRS will help me lose time and become safer as a racer. Ive seen (this, my first season) someone take VRS and get "plain ole" faster than me!!!  check the records, eric custar for one benefitted greatly from VRS, i hated it, i couldnt pass him anymore. he knew it! he knows it! i thought he was on some kind of drug the way he was smiling, but he said "Dave Rosno" after tellin me how much fun he was havin....

monopoly is one of my favorite board games, but im gonna have a hard time speaking up for streeters to get track time when i think it should be school time,  ......

oh and im sorry, but did i hear "FOUR YEARS" for VRS on thursdays??  it's robbery.
and i think that if we find a way to come together, we can stop this, or make em more considerate next time.

there truly is alot of us, and we pay too....
we couldve come together, we were almost there, till pete got in it  >:(  joking pete ;D

[am125ike]

i type slow!!!

[sportbikepete]

doofy I'd like the phone number for Gail.  :o

[am125ike]

doofy I'd like the phone number for Gail.  :o

gimme a sec......

    i know it was rite here somewhere....

[2slo4u]

Why does CCS have to be the most money hungry people on earth. Someone does something that actually helps and is making money at it so oh boy they have to make sure that they get paid also.  I agree with merge.  Dave pickup the school and take it to CRA and we will follow.  See if they like not having anyone at there races.  

[Super Dave]

Hey Dave this in no way is against you...Clear channel is ...in business for themselves as is EVERY OTHER for profit business. Again Dave it is unfortunate that this happened to you and hopefully you will find a way to continue to provide what seems to be from the responses a beneficial service. Also aren't those track days done by Lockhart Phillips? I did one on a Friday and was very happy with it, at Summit.
Let the flamming of me begin.... :P

Well, Visionsports, Incorporated is a business that is in business to make money, also.  I am a Power Mist Racing Fuel distributor here and I offer riding schools.  I do not look at my customers as customers, I look at them as friends and family.  I do well when my family does well.  

Lockhart Phillips is the sponsor of the track day, so they are providing Clear Channel Entertainment money as the title sponsor.

Summit's a fun track.  But what you get from a Sport Rider Day is probably a bit different than what you'd get from ProMotion's ART-PRO program.  

[Super Dave]

why don;t you get together and get a rep for your region to act as the person that tries to resovle issues. Or does that make to much sense? AMA riders do it and if there was just 1 rep from your region they would probably get a lot farther than everyone complaining individually.

Pete. looks like I'll be replying to a lot of what you say...

Anyway, I give CCS quite a bit of input.  I worked a lot with Roger Edmonson.  I had the fuel rules changed from 1999 to 2000.  For the 2001 season, the fuel rules were changed and they were not highlighted, as rule changes are.  I didn't even notice this until the end of the 2001 season.  Needless to say, under the current rules, unleaded street gas is illegal.  In fact, few fuels are legal.  There would be no guaruntee that the fuel you purchase at the track would be legal.

I have been part of changes in the rules.  And Kevin knows me pretty well.  If there are no racers, there is no need for CCS, and CCE's money is lost.  I provided a service that helps racers overcome many of the problems that guys, and girls have.  I give it to 'em straight, and that's about it.  I'm relatively experienced in quite a few matters, so I can at least follow an idea with a rider.  

If you can teach the rider things, they go faster, crash less, spend less money, and they spend more money with CCS.  Sounds like a good relationship.  

In just the same way, you allow tire vendors to sell tires to racers.  It's a relationship that is necessary to feed the addiction.

[Super Dave]

Have your class on Wednesday - we'll sit around on Thursday and just have a good time - Friday we will practice what you taught - Saturday and Sunday we will put it to good use.

My example is of one of my students from Champaign, JJ.

JJ works at a dealership and is about 20.  So, JJ has to leave Tuesday evening to come to the VRS program now.  Does the program on Wednesday, now he has to drive back to work for Thurday and Friday to make money.  Taking off such a long period can be very hard when you're in that situation.  What if you live in Minneapolis and you're a radiology tech?  That's 300 miles one way.  

I've had everything from Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday programs that I do have a better understanding of what works.