Team "Pro"Motion?

[castle228]

Dafan, I am not allowed to make public comments about an experience that I had with an organization? Last time I checked, we live in the Land of the Free, which includes Freedom of Speech. Go look at the some other threads on this board....you see people complaining everywhere! I'm not a baby, I'm not a whiner. I am an experienced cornerworker who just wants a bit of respect and consideration.

"your pit marshall called everyone to go to lunch at the cafeteria. We did not exclude anyone from the grill."

When I came in for lunch, I asked the PA guys what we were doing for lunch, they told me, "We have to buy our own." There WAS NEVER a public statement on the cornerworker net announcing squat, much less to come visit the grill.

3 MARRC people left their post? Yeah, to assist WITH THE OIL CLEANUP! Also, during cleanup, OVER THE NET, it was mentioned by several people in charge that "it may be called a day". The oil spill was cleaned up, T5, T7 & myself were back on station and clear and green, but there were a handful of individuals at Pit In ON TRACK! I believe that I recall the lady from T10 saying "It looks like there's a party over here!" We had a clear and green course, then T10 announces that there are 2 bikes entering the course counter-race direction, at which point we were instructed to show these riders the red flag, which I did and got them off. The reason for the further delay, if you recall Dafan, was that someone felt it necessary to send replacements for myself and T5. I told control I had until 5:15. We could have run at least one more session while the replacements were being delivered.

"by the way, on Sat one rider crashed and later was found that he broke 4 or 5 bones. guess what? the safety crew MADE HIM WALK TO THE AMBULANCE. No I am not making it up, I was there picking up his bike."

Hang on, the portable BSR X-ray machine is parked at New Baker. Lemme go grab it for you.   ::)  How in the world do you expect anyone to detect a broken bone. You should know, we ask, where does it hurt? If the rider wants to get up, cool....but do you really think the cornerworker did something along the lines of "Get up and walk to the ambulance....it's parked right over there. Come on."

I had a bad experience, I expressed my concerns, first to the powers that be a TPM, then here. If I would have come on here first and posted with not even saying anything to anyone at TPM, then I could see where I went wrong. But the response I received from TPM was less than comforting.

[castle228]

Yeah, that's correct, I wasn't on the list of "predetermined" cornerworkers, but I showed up to lend a hand. I did visit the track on Saturday, spoke with some individuals running Pit Out and they informed me they were losing 2 cornerworkers and wondered if I could come back on Sunday to help out. Pardon me for being considerate.

Yeah, we get paid.....but I don't care about the money. AMA pays in the neighborhood of $70/day AND buys lunch. CCS Track days, they pay $65/day plus buys lunch. "Another" track day organization cooks breakfast, pays $65/day, buys lunch, and has ooodles of bottled water for workers. MARRC does not pay cornerworkers. Chef EmerWil cooks lunch & dinner on Saturdays and lunch on Sundays. Along with all the soda, Red Bull, juice, water, snacks you can possibly imagine. I have dedicated A LOT of time to my MARRC family because I love the sport, NOT BECAUSE of the money. The point, every other organization that I have done track days for BUYS cornerworkers lunch or cooks it for them. I guess I assumed that TPM would do the same.....but look what happens when I assume.......

[r6_philly]

And their web site STILL says that they'll provide air fence to ANY and ALL sanctioning bodies that request it **AT NO CHARGE**.

it IS NO CHARGE. the org has to sign a damage and liability waiver thats all.

[r6_philly]

Was later found to have 4 or 5 broken bones?  Was he transported by the ambulance?  Just out of curiousity what turn was this in?  

Don't just throw out part of the story and then turn around and accuse other people of only telling half the story in another post.

thats what he did in the first post? and the rest of "chiming in". including the airfence story...

[EmerWil]

thats what he did in the first post? and the rest of "chiming in". including the airfence story...

you still didn't answer my questions...

[r6_philly]

R6  went and checked it was you that came here and posted the info about the air fence being available from TPM I responded to that thread and never recieved any response, and last word was "I will update when I find out"
 
http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccs1;action=display;num=1084401539

And how can you say you were availabe when TPM was at VIR?

I have a crew that is independent of the TPM crew that goes to track days. I tried to contact you to discuss the logistic of setting up the airfence. In the pressrelease that was sent to CCS/FUSA, it stated to contact team promotion for usage of the air fence. Since we never was contacted by CCS/FUSA we thought you didn't need to use them, until we were called on thur of the event, from the track. I was not at VIR, I could have set it up if arrangements were made. There is a little mix up there, I am sorry, but don't make it seem like we offered it and couldn't set it up. it could have been done, but we were never contacted. liability and damage waivers, and contract had to be signed (standard proceedure for all track events racing or not isnt it).

[r6_philly]

Dafan, I am not allowed to make public comments about an experience that I had with an organization? Last time I checked, we live in the Land of the Free, which includes Freedom of Speech. Go look at the some other threads on this board....you see people complaining everywhere! I'm not a baby, I'm not a whiner. I am an experienced cornerworker who just wants a bit of respect and consideration.

"your pit marshall called everyone to go to lunch at the cafeteria. We did not exclude anyone from the grill."

When I came in for lunch, I asked the PA guys what we were doing for lunch, they told me, "We have to buy our own." There WAS NEVER a public statement on the cornerworker net announcing squat, much less to come visit the grill.

3 MARRC people left their post? Yeah, to assist WITH THE OIL CLEANUP! Also, during cleanup, OVER THE NET, it was mentioned by several people in charge that "it may be called a day". The oil spill was cleaned up, T5, T7 & myself were back on station and clear and green, but there were a handful of individuals at Pit In ON TRACK! I believe that I recall the lady from T10 saying "It looks like there's a party over here!" We had a clear and green course, then T10 announces that there are 2 bikes entering the course counter-race direction, at which point we were instructed to show these riders the red flag, which I did and got them off. The reason for the further delay, if you recall Dafan, was that someone felt it necessary to send replacements for myself and T5. I told control I had until 5:15. We could have run at least one more session while the replacements were being delivered.

"by the way, on Sat one rider crashed and later was found that he broke 4 or 5 bones. guess what? the safety crew MADE HIM WALK TO THE AMBULANCE. No I am not making it up, I was there picking up his bike."

Hang on, the portable BSR X-ray machine is parked at New Baker. Lemme go grab it for you.   ::)  How in the world do you expect anyone to detect a broken bone. You should know, we ask, where does it hurt? If the rider wants to get up, cool....but do you really think the cornerworker did something along the lines of "Get up and walk to the ambulance....it's parked right over there. Come on."

I had a bad experience, I expressed my concerns, first to the powers that be a TPM, then here. If I would have come on here first and posted with not even saying anything to anyone at TPM, then I could see where I went wrong. But the response I received from TPM was less than comforting.

lunch: I was standing there when control said "I will meet everyone at the cafeteria". I did not think we stated anywhere that "free lunch is offered" Maybe we should have, this we can look into.

Grill: as I said, it was left over food from the day before, we had enough leftover to have lunch for our control riders, it is a personal treat by the owner. If I had cooked food and offered my friends, would you complain that I didn't give you any???


by the way, I am expressing my personal opinions there, and my views does not represent the official opion of team pro-motion


I work on admin. stuff for team pro-motion, I do not run the trackdays, or work to run the trackdays.

I am sorry you felt mistreated by persons that were at the track, but please don't equate 1 or 2 or 3 persons to the entire organization. Again we were there to put on a trackday and I will stand here and tell you we do that very well, most of the time. If you think things need to be improved when it comes to corner worker treatment, then someone will listen. The person you talked to didn't want to listen? Was she the president? was she the only person who you can contact? We can resolve things, if one person does not want to listen or continue to treat you bad, please try another route.

I was just upset to read people start to "jump on the bandwagon" and start to feel negative about the whole organization for your dealings with 1 person. Did you deal with me? Was I rude to you too? was everyone?

I am going to stop talking about 1 day, going back forth arguing about what happened is petty.

so I apologize that you had a bad experience, if we could help you feel differently in anyway, please email me, and I will try to see to it that you get a good response and we will try to do things differently the next time.

By the way, the injured rider, as far and *I know* was told to walk to the ambulance. I will refrain from mentioning it again until I have more info and circumstance on that. But, yes, he was told to get up and walk to the ambulance.

[r6_philly]

Yeah, that's correct, I wasn't on the list of "predetermined" cornerworkers, but I showed up to lend a hand. I did visit the track on Saturday, spoke with some individuals running Pit Out and they informed me they were losing 2 cornerworkers and wondered if I could come back on Sunday to help out. Pardon me for being considerate.

Yeah, we get paid.....but I don't care about the money. AMA pays in the neighborhood of $70/day AND buys lunch. CCS Track days, they pay $65/day plus buys lunch. "Another" track day organization cooks breakfast, pays $65/day, buys lunch, and has ooodles of bottled water for workers. MARRC does not pay cornerworkers. Chef EmerWil cooks lunch & dinner on Saturdays and lunch on Sundays. Along with all the soda, Red Bull, juice, water, snacks you can possibly imagine. I have dedicated A LOT of time to my MARRC family because I love the sport, NOT BECAUSE of the money. The point, every other organization that I have done track days for BUYS cornerworkers lunch or cooks it for them. I guess I assumed that TPM would do the same.....but look what happens when I assume.......

ok, I can clear this up for you. you mentioned a couple of times "several persons in charge" there is NO several person in charge. If you weren;t on the list of cornerworkers, then you need approval of the person who does pay the corner workers. I appreciate that you came and helped. But if you weren't told by the person who make up the list, then you are not on the list and she could have rejected your services, if we had enough people.

but most importantly, I was upset to see you equate your exprience with us to how we *always* treat corner workers. If one person had a bad day, that means everyone always have a bad day? I am again sorry you had a bad time, but everyone deserve a benefit of the doubt, and to see everyone else who has never been to a TPM event to chime in and say negative things, it wasn't cool. I don't really care what you think of me, but I am going to come and defend, not because I work for them (I do not really have anything to do with the trackdays, I am not even a CR anymore, I just ran the crash truck because they needed someone) I just feel it is not right.

We had a great time Sat night with some of the corner workers, and I didn't know of any one of the rest had any complaints. I thanked everyone who helped me load up bikes, and I wasn't rude to anyone, why can't that be a indication that it is only one person who was treating you wrong, and not everyone gets treated wrong everytime?

I guess the whole point is to not paint an incomplete picture of the whole org based on one person's experience one day. Can we do that?

as much as I complaint about CCS things here, I never complained about it on another board. This is a CCS board and I feel it is the right avenue for that.

[LAG]

Dafan, I applaud you for standing up for TPM, but I think you need to realize, some people just have not had a good experience.  For whomever said that the people complaining have probably never done a TPM day, I will state for the record that I have.  Been there, tried it, and that was enough for me.

There were other bad experiences with TPM that were so completely unprofessional that I won't even discuss them, because some things are better left in private.  I feel that your bashing everyone who had a complaint about TPM should have been left private as well.  Do you think everyone who eats at a restaurant will always have a good experience, or will some complain?  It's just human nature that different people have different experiences.  I will have to agree with EmerWil that the way you handled responding to people's posts just shows how unprofessional TPM can be to the people who pay them money or try to offer their services.

[r6_philly]

Was later found to have 4 or 5 broken bones?  Was he transported by the ambulance?  Just out of curiousity what turn was this in?  

Don't just throw out part of the story and then turn around and accuse other people of only telling half the story in another post.

sorry, it was late and I was upset. He crashed in turn 3 I think (not entirely sure because I picked up about 25 people), and was intructed to walk to the ambulance, then transported.

[r6_philly]

Dafan, I applaud you for standing up for TPM, but I think you need to realize, some people just have not had a good experience.  For whomever said that the people complaining have probably never done a TPM day, I will state for the record that I have.  Been there, tried it, and that was enough for me.

There were other bad experiences with TPM that were so completely unprofessional that I won't even discuss them, because some things are better left in private.  I feel that your bashing everyone who had a complaint about TPM should have been left private as well.  Do you think everyone who eats at a restaurant will always have a good experience, or will some complain?  It's just human nature that different people have different experiences.  I will have to agree with EmerWil that the way you handled responding to people's posts just shows how unprofessional TPM can be to the people who pay them money or try to offer their services.

I am not on official behalf of TPM here, so please don't equate that to being "unprofessional" I don't believe posts that were posted at 1am by someone who does not run trackdays or hire anyone's services as being "professional" in any way or how.

I, just like chris, was voicing my personal opinions. you want to call him unprofessional too? an independent contractor complaining about the hirer of his services on a public board, please call that professional?

I am not standing up for TPM, we have a lot of members, and the org. stands up for itself.

please stop equating 1 person to the organization. I have a name, and it is not "team pro-motion". I just say how I feel. I don't get paid to defend tpm, I don't get paid to run trackdays. I get paid like everyone else when I offer services. I am not even an employee of tpm, so GET THAT RIGHT.

so how does that show that TPM is unprofessional?

my name is Dafan Zhang. My company is APro Connect Inc. My racing team is UltraScreens Racing. I subcontract for Team Pro-Motion to provide Data Solutions.

I said something because I was there this weekend and knew a lot of what went on. Not representing TPM as you may think  ::)

[EmerWil]

I am not on official behalf of TPM here, so please don't equate that to being "unprofessional" I don't believe posts that were posted at 1am by someone who does not run trackdays or hire anyone's services as being "professional" in any way or how.

I, just like chris, was voicing my personal opinions. you want to call him unprofessional too? an independent contractor complaining about the hirer of his services on a public board, please call that professional?

I am not standing up for TPM, we have a lot of members, and the org. stands up for itself.

please stop equating 1 person to the organization. I have a name, and it is not "team pro-motion". I just say how I feel. I don't get paid to defend tpm, I don't get paid to run trackdays. I get paid like everyone else when I offer services. I am not even an employee of tpm, so GET THAT RIGHT.

so how does that show that TPM is unprofessional?

my name is Dafan Zhang. My company is APro Connect Inc. My racing team is UltraScreens Racing. I subcontract for Team Pro-Motion to provide Data Solutions.

I said something because I was there this weekend and knew a lot of what went on. Not representing TPM as you may think  ::)

Dafan I know who you are and I know you are a stand up guy.  You took this as an attack on you (or so it looked by your defensive responses).  This WAS A COMMENT ON LINDA.  

As far as you not being an employee of TMP you are listed on their website under the STAFF PAGE as "Marketing Director/ Web Development" and "Race Support".  That sounds like an employee to me.  

This will be my last post regarding this issue.  Linda Rabb is unprfessional and needs to work on her communication skills and I will tell EVERYONE I talk to how unprofessional Linda Rabb is.