elec. scoring and qualifying

[r6_philly]

We pre-register at least two weeks before the event that we will be going to and it seems to be working good in our region.  Plus...  It makes my life a lot less stressful.

Dawn   :)

So do I, but the last 3 races, I registered 2 weeks ahead of time, on Wed/Thur.

My best grid out of whole 3 weekend is 6A. Which is the first row of second wave. I managed to finish almost all sprint races in the top 15, whith one 7th.

I know if I start in the first 3 rows, I would have a shot at the podium. But right now, I can get 10th if everything goes well. (I am not that fast, just faster than average)

I am top 10 in all 3 classes I compete in. I would gladly registered 2 weeks in advance if I can start on the 3rd row. Then I would finish better and move up even more.

ROC is grided by points, and I think the regionals should be too. And what is the incentive for people still pre-enter? If you post enter, you still end  up gridding by order of entry. so I will still send my money in before 2 weeks so I can have my points matter.



Start a poll someone? what choices? just a simple yes or no?

[bfkidd]

Points would certainly be nice. A few years ago I registered a month and a half beforehand for a summit race and was way back in the 2nd wave for every race. And this was the lightweight class! I was chasing points too so it really sucked. The next year I registered for all the summit races either before or right after daytona. It was the only way to guarantee a front row position. And even then I wasn't on the pole! I think I was even on the second row a few times if you can believe that.

[Team_Serpent]

The way that CCS grids by time of entry is exactly the reason I don't race the series much.  When I do plan to attend a CCS event (see you guys at Road America in August  :) ) I ussualy pre-reg. way in advance (registered in March for August Road America) just to make sure I don't get stuck at the back of the grid.  I also pre-reg. so I don't have to stand in line the morning of the race and miss practice.
With WERA I can pre-reg the entire season and they charge my credit card aprox. 2 weeks in advance of each event.
The CCS gridding policy makes absolutely no sense from a racers standpoint and I tend to agree with those who feel it's dangerous.
The grids should be posted by Class points.
One nice thing about it though, I don't have to run the series and can show up and ussually be grid within the first three rows  8)

[r6_philly]

haha Wera persuasion we have here... so u are one of the guys who's taken up the front of the grid eh?  >:(

 ;D yes I would love it to change. I love the CCS schedule tracks, dates and the region, but PLEASE change the way it grids please please pretty please


Why don't u change your avitar here? since I made u the nice ones  8)

[Team_Serpent]

Why don't u change your avitar here? since I made u the nice ones  8)

Haven't posted the avitar of the web to be able to create a link yet  :)

[Finacial Aid]

 :)
I love the thought of having a qualifying lap or two, for grid position.  But right now you can pre-register for a race weeks or even months in advance if you are chasing a championship, and if you find out a day ahead of time that you can't go, well cancel your pre-registration...its that easy. you get your money back and if you would have raced you would have been gridded towards the front.  I know it is a hassle to let CCS hang on to your money, but thats a sacrifice you might have to make to win.  And if you are going to be chasing a championship I suggest you not miss any races!!!   Bottom line...if you are not in contention for points or not going to race every race to win a championship, don't force your passes...why? all for a piece of wood?  if you are having trouble getting around someone its probably because they have about the same riding ability as you. Is finishing 10th instead of 11th going to be a great boost to your ego or what?

[r6_philly]

some of us maybe going through a hard time financially, or just barely keeping up with racing, and without any sponsors, how many of you can plung down a couple thousand just to ensure a good position. Sure it can be done, sure you have options, but is it the best system?

We want fairness in competition, that's why we have rules to make classes and judge machinery. It would seem somewhat unfair that the financially better off/sponsored races are garanteed a better chance of winning. Its not even about  championship, its about me spending $500 a weekend without any good shot of wining on THAT day.

If griding by points is an outlandish idea, why does the ROC does it? why don't we grid by entry at ROC? We know its going to be Oct and we know the prices, we can enter in Feb for the ROC right?

If I don't want to win, I would stick to track days, whats the the diff. between 10th and 11th? 10th is in front of 11th. If I just wanna be out there on the track, or just call myself a racer, I would race my GS500, finish top3 every time, and do track days on my bigger bikes.

[Team_Serpent]

I know the thread subject says "elec. scoring and qualifying" but the thread seems to be based more on the subject of how grids are decided at a CCS event.
Financial Aid,
I didn't think I saw anyone bringing up the fact that they are making bonehead moves to get to the front because of a grid spot in the back.  So take it easy on us please  :)
There are other benefits to pre-registration and I think the people who currently pre-register understand that and would continue to pre-register if there was a change in the grid policy (I'm one of them).
I know sometimes threads take a turn in direction but I think this one is for airing your opinion about the current grid policy and what changes you would like to see, if any.
Sounds like to me you're fine with the way things are and that's cool.  Personally I feel the grids should be assigned by points.  Riders registering with no points could be assigned a grid position behind riders with points based on time of entry.
I'm kinda talking out of line here though because I haven't been to very many CCS events.  I was able to work a few into the 2000 and 2001 schedule but I'm only able to make one this year (I mainly run the "other" series  :-X), Road America.  Can't wait!  Anyways, my point is I'm really not sure how much of a problem it is because of limited exposure.
  

[GAMEDIC]

Is the RACE not supposed to be on the track to see who wins? Rather than see who can send in money first...everyone that said by points is 100% right sence we do not have the time to qualify. It's not fair for you to finish in the top 5 at 4 races and you be on grid 30 at the 5th race just because you didn't have the money to send in 2 months ahead of time...come on now CCS read this and listen..and this is comming from a new racer that would love to start up front but i know i'm not as fast as alot of you and you should be in front of me for safety reasons and when i get better than you i will have the points to prove it and start where i should...just my $.02

[RoadRacerR6]

As a newbie racer, I am in agreement with those who say that gridding should be based on points.  I have no business being gridded near the front; my starts suck and I'm an obstacle.  The problem is that I race at tracks which are very, very crowded, so if I don't pre-enter there's a good chance I won't get to race at all.

I can grid myself at the back of the pack for safety reasons, but there's no way to give the grid position I was assigned to someone who deserves it based on their skill, so that's not a good answer.

So, I would like CCS to change grid assignments based on points.  For first race of season grid based on points from the prior season.  That rewards the experienced racers.

[Litespeed]

I don't know if the SW region is different but I usually get a 3rd or 4th row position from signing up on Sat morning first thing.  From those positions I am usually in the top 5 before we get out of the first turn.  I think if I started at the back of the grid I would still get a respectable place coming out of turn 1.  I'm sure CCS does it the way they do it because it would be very difficult to check everyone's points on Saturday morning before the grids are posted and furthermore how do you grid based on points when regions overlap?  I agree there could be a better way to do it but I doubt there's a simpler way and none of them will be fair to everyone.

[sportbikepete]

Litespeed may I be the first to say, YOU SUCK! I sign up a month or more in advance and I"m STILL in the 2nd wave. Anyway just kidding, well maybe. Seems that grids for Summit Point are closed even before Saturday morning, lights included.