DUMP THE POINTS PAGE

[Super Dave]

And some points are up!  

Thanks for the relay, Tiffaney!

[Mark Bernard]

Wooo hooo!

[WebCrush]

LRRS, which is a slightly removed affiliate of CCS has the renewal forms already and our director (Don H) has told us of CCS bump in prices.

[TiffineyIngram]

Adam, if you have been told this information by a CCS offical, they were incorrect.  As far as transponders, we do own them.  As far as licenses, CCS and their affiliates are the only ones who will know the plans for 2004 until they are announced publicly.

[Super Dave]

Doesn't LRRS have their own timing set up anyway?  They did in 1999 when I raced at Loudon.

[WebCrush]

Yes, LRRS has AMB transponders (along with every other serious series such as AMA, Motogp, even NASCRAP).

I was inquiring why CCS didn't get them as well and was told by this Mid-Atlantic TOP official that it was a political issue since AMB required a lease period longer than CCE can officially allow (something like 3 yrs) so they instead had to use the ones they have now.

LRRS is a CCS affiliate and I guess they've been publicly announced since Don clearly and boldly told us this information.

[TiffineyIngram]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across, but of course LRRS is our affiliate and we look forward to working with them for years to come.  As far as a "TOP" official, if that were the case, what difference does it make what kind of transponders/transmitters we use?  And what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?  Either way, we have a great system in place across our regions, and LRRS has a great system in their region.  Why does it matter what the brand is?

On another note, CCS is a very serious series.  We went with a system created specifically for us with our likes and dislikes taken into consideration.  If you believe the brand of timing system determines seriousness, I'm pretty sure you're about to have quite a few of your fellow racers begging to differ with your opinion.  Any guy or girl who spends their well earned money to race hundreds of miles from home in any weather just to get that rush that they love is pretty darn serious in my eyes.

[r6_philly]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to get across, but of course LRRS is our affiliate and we look forward to working with them for years to come.  As far as a "TOP" official, if that were the case, what difference does it make what kind of transponders/transmitters we use?  And what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?  Either way, we have a great system in place across our regions, and LRRS has a great system in their region.  Why does it matter what the brand is?

On another note, CCS is a very serious series.  We went with a system created specifically for us with our likes and dislikes taken into consideration.  If you believe the brand of timing system determines seriousness, I'm pretty sure you're about to have quite a few of your fellow racers begging to differ with your opinion.  Any guy or girl who spends their well earned money to race hundreds of miles from home in any weather just to get that rush that they love is pretty darn serious in my eyes.

If CCS is serious, and we are serious, and CCS knows that we are serious, and we are spending serious dollars, why can't the points page be updated? Why can't the points be available for viewing at registration at summit point national?

I waited 2 weeks before sending money for Daytona, hoping I can find out what region I should register my ROC racers from, but even til today, there is no points update. I emailed you for the updated points, and got no response. I asked registration at the last race event and there is no points.

I know you have to defend your org and your biz, but I must defend my money. If all know this is about serious business, then please, by ALL means, get serious. Don't just talk serious.

[WebCrush]

Tiffany, sounds like my fellow racers HAVE been voicing their unhappiness for the last 5 pages of this post.

Another example of the unprofessionalism of CCS (and its image persists) is that you have not returned a phone call which I left on your voice mail two days ago regarding the fact that I have not received my Daytona ROC mailer.

[TiffineyIngram]

9/17-Adam Bella-did not rec Daytona mailer-called, busy; called again, no answer.

Adam, I returned your phone call not only once, but TWICE.

Dafan--As I have posted, there was a serious problem in the computer.  I am not going to post points when I know they are incorrect.  I felt it was more important to get them right than to post an inaccuracy.  Now that I have them fixed and I know they are corrected, they should be up by the end of the day.

[WebCrush]

I apologize, please see my email.

Now that the computer issue has been resolved, will the points in ALL the regions be updated as well as the F/USA classes?

[r6_philly]

Tiffiney, thank you for the update. My gripe this time was that there was no options to get the points. It wouldn't really matter much if I could have gotten an updated copy at summit point, but I was told they didn't bring it.

And waiting to see the points update before I sent in my entries could have costed a garage spot (maybe) because I was ready to send it out the day I received the mailer. Then still the points are not up, I just couldn't wait any longer.

You know us spend over thousands dollars at the begining of the year for a good grid spot. Or spend hundreds on a qualifying effort. Here we have an opportunity to clain our "deserved" spot, only I could not tell what region  I did better in. You see my dillema -

because CCS did not post the points on time, I could have entered a region other than my best, and end up losing grid positions. And that, in my opinion, and in all reality, is worth more than a few hundred dollars. And this happened to be a national championship race too? If I entered MA instead of SE and end up on the 6th row instead of 2nd, what you think that is worth to me??? And who is going to be accountable for this loss?

We are talking about a lot of money, anxious minds, and maybe even anger here. A simple "we had a problem isn't going to cut it." Sure we can be understanding and so on, but the truth is a resolution was not there.

If I am late on my bills for 3 month, do you think any excuse is going to cut it with the creditors? As you stated, it is business, and there are often times, no feelings in business.

I stop complaining about the website because, it is an enhanced feature. If you choose not to do it, we still race and get our money worth. But this time I could not get points ANYWAY. In that sense, CCS has failed. Since ROC is run with the points tally, then a tally must be available. Its integral to the process. But it was not, and I didn't hear CCS extend the deadline of entry for me, or anyone because points weren't available. Is there a fix? What if I find out next month that I should have entered a different region?

What if I am gridded improperly at Daytona? What can I use to show the officials that mistake has been made?

Point standings are essential. Above all, please try to make them available.

By the way, I think CCS has a lot good people, and a lot good qualities. That why I race CCS, and continue to, and plan to race CCS in the future. You didn't hear me threaten to race WERA ever  ;D I just like certain things to be fixed, because they are broken