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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2011, 07:16:47 pm »
How many of you are going to buy that $60K 116 hp, 305lb Pierobon featured  in RRW.  That thing would be very competitive in MW....And since LW has become a builder's class...It's now all about money!!
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2011, 11:27:51 pm »
I was just sitting on the
How many of you are going to buy that $60K 116 hp, 305lb Pierobon featured  in RRW.  That thing would be very competitive in MW....And since LW has become a builder's class...It's now all about money!!

i was just sitting on the crapper reading about it in the new issue. it's really difficult to poop with a stiffy...

Screw it. I'm selling all my current bikes. Haters get ready!!
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2011, 09:57:33 am »
I think you could pay have that for the Bimota and go almost as fast.....hehe

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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2011, 02:40:33 pm »
Reading about all some of the crazy expensive bikes in the lightweight classes picking on the SV elswhere in the country, I'm glad most of my racing is done at Loudon where a stock SV still has somewhat of a fighting chance in LWSS, LWSB, GTL and LWGP.  For what was once one of the best bang-for-the-buck race bikes out there, the SV seems to be turning into a knife at a gun fight.

I'm all for building crazy bikes, but I agree that some of the LW classes are becoming a bit of an arms race.

Racing is already expensive enough.  No need to make it outrageous.  That's part of the draw for the LW classes... not as much glory as MW or HW, but you get to keep a little more money in your pocket.
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2011, 10:17:43 am »
Clearly my logic is wrong.  I should be fixing rider weight and not worrying about HP.  I do have to admit that when i got a good drive out of the corner, I didn't struggle as much on the straights.  But all things being equal, if other riders got a good drive, they flat out passed me like they were on a 600. 

Interesting discussion.  I guess if you're passionate and serious about anything, you'll find away to to make it work.  Whether that be financially or otherwise. 

The fact of the matter is this.  The rules are stated. You know what you're up against.  Make the best of it.  If you can't beat em, join em?  We should all go buy Bimota's perhaps.  I'm running a 10 year old bike I got in a trade deal.  I'm doing ok on it.  In the expert ranks, I'd be shark bait.  Before the middle of this season I haven't worked to improve my riding since 2007.  I only had 2 years on a bike prior.  1 year street (10 years prior) and 1 year track.  I know where my budget is.  I know my strengths and my weaknesses.  All I can do is the best I can do with what I have or what I'm able / willing to get.  If I'm having fun and battling for 3rd, that is more rewarding to me then riding by myself for 1st or 10th place. 

There aren't any surprises here. Petition if you don't think things are fair, make the best of what you can, or take up pool. :) 
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #41 on: January 14, 2011, 05:58:52 pm »
Greg , I know where you place in the amatuer races we raced together. Freshen it up and go kick some a##.
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2011, 11:46:17 pm »
Clearly my logic is wrong.  I should be fixing rider weight and not worrying about HP.  I do have to admit that when i got a good drive out of the corner, I didn't struggle as much on the straights.  But all things being equal, if other riders got a good drive, they flat out passed me like they were on a 600. 

Interesting discussion.  I guess if you're passionate and serious about anything, you'll find away to to make it work.  Whether that be financially or otherwise. 

The fact of the matter is this.  The rules are stated. You know what you're up against.  Make the best of it.  If you can't beat em, join em?  We should all go buy Bimota's perhaps.  I'm running a 10 year old bike I got in a trade deal.  I'm doing ok on it.  In the expert ranks, I'd be shark bait.  Before the middle of this season I haven't worked to improve my riding since 2007.  I only had 2 years on a bike prior.  1 year street (10 years prior) and 1 year track.  I know where my budget is.  I know my strengths and my weaknesses.  All I can do is the best I can do with what I have or what I'm able / willing to get.  If I'm having fun and battling for 3rd, that is more rewarding to me then riding by myself for 1st or 10th place. 

There aren't any surprises here. Petition if you don't think things are fair, make the best of what you can, or take up pool. :) 

Well said Greg,
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2011, 11:47:01 pm »
I was just sitting on the
i was just sitting on the crapper reading about it in the new issue. it's really difficult to poop with a stiffy...

Screw it. I'm selling all my current bikes. Haters get ready!!

You are a sick bastard.
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2011, 03:15:44 pm »
You are a sick bastard.

Yes, I am your Huckleberry.
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2011, 06:25:56 pm »
I think you could pay have that for the Bimota and go almost as fast.....hehe

You give the Bimota more credit than it deserves. One could achieve a simlar prforming bike if you were to spend a good amount of money on a DS1000. What you don't have is the Bimota frame, but Ohlins everything else will get you in the ballpark and definitely exact with the motor.

Now the Pierobon is quite a buy for $60K and would take a bit of money to have the same spec Bimota. There actually is one in Florida and yeah he can run with some of the best middleweight bikes. That Bimota certainly must cost more than the $60K at least that is what I was told and I have to believe it.

My Ducati 800 cost twice as much as many of my SV competition, nd at half the cost their bike is still faster on the straight. Consider this, faster entry speed(rider skill) can equate to faster corner speed and in turn faster exit leading to a faster top out on the straights.

Yes the lightweight class can be quite pricey but I run it because I love it.
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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2011, 02:18:36 am »
Once again,  LW has turned into the dumping ground for all those bikes that can not compete in a CC class that they are in, or for those that do not have enough entries to constitute having a class of their own and their own race.  I do not have a problem racing on the track with these bikes, I just do not think that they should be racing for the same piece of wood, or points.  This would not make for an extra race, just extra plaques and paperwork.  With what I heard at the banquet we do not have enough racers and or races in certain areas to make a race weekend profitable without introducing Shifter Karts and Side Car races.  I hate to say it, but this is in part due to running off those who would have raced and stayed with a reasonable LW Class.  Budget racing was killed with the new LW rules that have been introduced in the last few years.. Yes, George. You can spend a ton of money and a lot of time tricking out an old or unusual bike and get a great deal of personal satisfaction.  This, however forces everyone else to do the same thing if they want to be competitive.  Those of us who choose not to build one of these hybrid monsters are bringing a knife to a gun fight and are being told to like it.  What is happening is that many are changing racing series and this will make it even tougher to get grids to meet contingency requirements.  You now do not get tire money.  Good Job.  The LW class last year had many weekends where there were not enough bikes on the grid to get contingency because many racers left racing because of the economy and because the did not feel that they would be competitive without spending a great deal of money to keep up with the larger displacement bikes allowed in LW.  This years rule changes have made this situation even worse.  We need to be attracting more racers, not running off the ones we have.  So here is what is happening.  Catering to those who want to tinker with the bigger displacement bikes and trick them out will win the races and the number of bikes in the race will go down.  Again, Good Job.

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Re: SV 650 Superbike classes (Winter Dreaming)
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2011, 06:00:08 pm »
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The LW class last year had many weekends where there were not enough bikes on the grid to get contingency because many racers left racing because of the economy and because the did not feel that they would be competitive without spending a great deal of money to keep up with the larger displacement bikes allowed in LW.



do you have any data to support this?  In the regions I have raced in and watched over the past few 5 years I have felt the reduction in entries has been consistent across the board.  I would almost argue that the LW grids have suffered the LEAST compared to MW/HW/UNL. 

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