Proposed rule change: Gridding by points (revisited)

[roadracer162]

I would change my name to AAA

[Super Dave]

I would change my name to AAA

I'm going for "a", so you'll have to be next to me on the grid.

[RAISING CANE]

I have never cared for the pre entry method of gridding riders but now that Ive been involved for several years it seems to make sense. I have noticed that the riders who are seriously going after a class title or going after contingency money will make the effort to get all thier pre-entries in early as possible. The casual racers that i have encountered purposly enter closer to the deadline to avoid grid positions up front and the very new riders tend to enter at the event.

Now this is certainly not always the case, but seems to work out this way most of the time.

Given the complexity of using points or lap times....pre-entry works.

[skiandclimb]

I don't mind pre-entry gridding.  I truly hope that it comes down to a performance index deal though.  I rode in Supertwins and didn't get one of those points added to my year end #'s....which I feel is complete doo-doo. If P.I. were a factor, guys like me would always grid in the rear if we ventured into other races.

Off topic, but can anyone tell me why certain races are not equal to others?

TIA,
Ski

[Super Dave]

Off topic, but can anyone tell me why certain races are not equal to others?

For PI?  Number of entries.  If you win a race with 50 riders, it would follow that it is "better" than winning a race with 5 riders in it.

[skiandclimb]

For PI?  Number of entries.  If you win a race with 50 riders, it would follow that it is "better" than winning a race with 5 riders in it.

No, I get that. I also agree with it. I was really talking about why certain races are considered different in terms of points. IE: Supertwins points are not counted towards total points or P.I.  Why is this? We pay the same license fees, race entry fees, etc.  But our pts. dont count? Just wondering...

[Super Dave]

No, I get that. I also agree with it. I was really talking about why certain races are considered different in terms of points. IE: Supertwins points are not counted towards total points or P.I.  Why is this? We pay the same license fees, race entry fees, etc.  But our pts. dont count? Just wondering...

Because it is very specific to a particular kind of exclusive bike.  Supertwins - twins.  Supersport, Superbike, GP includes any design two stroke, four stroke, three's, four's, six's, twin's, singles, etc...they are inclusive classes.

[ahastings]

For PI?  Number of entries.  If you win a race with 50 riders, it would follow that it is "better" than winning a race with 5 riders in it.

actually you are a little off there Dave. If you win a race your PI is always 1000 no matter how few riders are in it, its when you get 2nd or worse that your pi will be higher with more riders :)

[Super Dave]

actually you are a little off there Dave. If you win a race your PI is always 1000 no matter how few riders are in it, its when you get 2nd or worse that your pi will be higher with more riders :)

Thanks, Arnie!

I really don't care much about PI.  Thought the whole thing was gay.  Let's just go race.  Second place is still the first looser.

[ahastings]

Thanks, Arnie!

I really don't care much about PI.  Thought the whole thing was gay.  Let's just go race.  Second place is still the first looser.

well the PI is only used for one thing and rightfully so and that is when determining the top 10 overall experts in each region, which sort of cuts down on people just piling on classes they arent competitive in to win a #1 overall . Although I still think a better way would be just to take your best 5 classes and forget the pi.

[Super Dave]

Although I still think a better way would be just to take your best 5 classes and forget the pi.

I advocated that for years myself.  Would still allow a racer to pile on nine or ten classes to keep CCS going better while opening it up for other riders. 

[Boober]

I find problems with every possible scenario so I vote to leave it as is!