Daytona sandbaggers

[41jason41]

I dont think its sandbagging at all. He isn't running stupid fast times or anything.

[djduc748l]

The rules for this year allow superbike trim bikes and twins up to 1200cc (water cooled), I called CCS and confirmed the legality of running the Duc...there were not even any 750's in the top group anyway, which was odd, most were running 600's...have to figure out if bike has a top speed limiter on it though as it kept cutting out at 179mph (indicated on speedo) and still had some tach left in her...

[jgalt187]

The rules for this year allow superbike trim bikes and twins up to 1200cc (water cooled), I called CCS and confirmed the legality of running the Duc...there were not even any 750's in the top group anyway, which was odd, most were running 600's...have to figure out if bike has a top speed limiter on it though as it kept cutting out at 179mph (indicated on speedo) and still had some tach left in her...

Thanks for clearing that up. I was just reading the displacement part in the formula forty rules, and didn't see the update.

[djduc748l]

Formula 40:

6.7.2 All Formula 40 machines must meet the requirements of Lightweight
Grand Prix or Heavyweight Superbike.

HEAVYWEIGHT SUPERBIKE (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine confi gurations, Unlimited displacement

Although within the discreption of the current specific F-40 class there appears to be a contridiction:

FORMULA 40 (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 1000cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine confi gurations, Unlimited displacement

The rule change request reads as follows:

Request: allow UNL class machines
Action: Denied
Request: allow Heavyweight Superbike machines
Action: approved

Which is what I asked the CCS before entering the 1098, and they told me it was as per the Heavyweight Superbike discription for 2008.

[gixster]

Having to race against "Harry",you would think that I would want to protest about him but I don't think that having one good weekend should classify you as an expert racer."Harry" is a stand up guy that would give the shirt off his back to help you out.As far as him sand bagging this past weekend,he is not the type of person to do that.I look forward to racing and battling with him this year as I will be trying to earn my white plates too.

[yetidave]

LOL, well this really took off. Like I said earlier, Larry is a solid dude. And I was VERY surprised to see him winning races as an amateur. He's fast on any track. I know this because I used to coach with him. I've ridden on about 5 different tracks with him, and he's faster than me on ALL OF THEM. Based on that information I don't buy the argument that he should keep his yellow plates simply because he only raced on one track last season.
Larry's not an asshole, I know the guy. But going to Daytona and racing against a bunch of guys who are spending a retarded amount of money to be there racing against other yellow plates when you know going in that you're faster then the vast majority of them, isn't cool. He earned his white plates, he's a mid pack expert racer (regardless of what times he ran at Daytona), I know this because I've ridden with him plenty.
I have nothing against him personally, it is what it is.
Go ahead and post a 2,000 word essay on why I'm an asshole, it doesn't matter, it changes nothing.

[skipper08]

lets just race.

hey dennis its gus the guy with the blue R1 AM # 300

[Eric Kelcher]

The rider in question, at least I am 90% sure it is, did not meet our requirements.

2.2.4 Riders will be issued Regional Series licenses as Amateur or Expert.
A. CCS Offi cials will issue Expert licenses to those riders with proven
experience or ability as follows:
(1.) Applicants who are renewing a CCS Expert license or who are
applying with an Expert license from one of the racing
organizations listed in section 2.2.1.
(2.) Amateur riders with the organizations listed in section 2.2.1
who are being upgraded to Expert.
(3.) Any Amateur Rider who in the opinion of CCS Offi cials has the
ability and experience for Expert competition.
(4.) Any Amateur Rider who scores 400 points within a 12 month
period.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur
who meets the point criteria and has not shown the ability and
experience for expert competition.
(5.) Any Amateur Rider who wins a Series Championship or
fi nishes in the top 5 positions in any class at the Race of
Champions.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur
who meets the Series Championship or Race of
Champions criteria and has not shown the ability and
experience for expert competition.

He did not meet the experience requirement.

[djduc748l]

Thank you Eric! Exactly what I was trying to say...one great race weekend or great track day at every track in the country while you are under NO pressure qualifies you to be an expert in ANY credible racing organization, on or off road, 2 or 4 wheels!

Hey Gus! Great results on Sunday! Wish I could have stayed to battle with you, as our race Saturday was alot of fun, I will pop in at a few other rounds that don't conflict with my 9 yr old daughters GNCC race schedule, just to see how I can do at real race tracks, I will PM you with my contact info. Keep charging Gus!

Thanks Eric!

[yetidave]

Well I guess that settles it. My apologies to Larry.

[djduc748l]

and they lived happily ever after...

The End

[bambam]

Well I guess that settles it. My apologies to Larry.

you are still an asshole :)

i got to talk to larry for a brief moment and he was very humble and excited to be making a go of it this season. i wish all of you a great season and hope to see you out there when i can.