07 Rules New Topics being discussed per the ROC mailer

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

How about making the expert races a lap longer, and the amateur races a lap shorter.  that would motivate people to move up and stop sandbagging.

Well will the entry fees for amateurs be lower then?

[lilroy]

Great thread Paul!!

Regarding the F40 race and the allowance for litre bikes I have one point to make.  I suggest that only racers that are 40 or will be 40 years old in '07 should be allowed to petition for a rule change.  If the competitors would like to see litre bikes allowed then have at it.

Super Dave made a point regarding grid positions.  Why is it that grid positions for most races are determined by entry time?  I was aware of this before the season started and pre-entered for all of the races that I planned to do and ended up at the front of the grid.  I would rather see the grid determined by overall points for any race that doesn't have a qualifing session.  This would leave the guys running for the championship to do their thing.  I'm sure this has been discussed before and that there is a reason why it has been done this way all of these years.  (The first issue that comes to mind is how to grid the first race of the year.  That could easily be first come first served.)

How many people on this board have been running the Great Plains series and is there any structure there that CCS can use to improve race weekends?

That's all I've got for now.

[Super Dave]

My understanding was that it was a computer issue that limited CCS in developing grids based on points.  This was after conversations with Kevin Elliott in around 2001 or 2002.  I believe that there was supposed to be a new computer in 2003, and that was going to allow CCS to do that.

Honestly, I don't have the funds to toss up hundreds and thousands of dollars to enter races months and months in advance.  Because of that, it has curtailed my desire to enter additional races and events that I don't have planned.  Not sure if anyone else feels this way, but I do.

[ahastings]

They grid Daytona ROC by points, this is 2006 how can you not have a computer program capable of gridding by points. Gridding by pre-entry is also less safe than gridding by points as it allows people to grid up front that shouldn't be there.

[Super Dave]

Yeah, ROC has been by points since I can remember.  As for everything else, I don't have any answers.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Slight problem is, the program they use (at least here) is no longer supported sicne the programmer DIED. Thats what I was told.

[racerhall]

i think that the grids should be on points and for the first race of the year it should be first come first serve, it is alot of money to pre enter for the whole year and i dont like it, and for the gt races i think they should stay they are the closest thing to a real race distance, the sprint races r to short and not enough time to make up for a mistake
my other comment is that the experts should not be on the track at the same time as the amateurs, not so much in the sprint races but in the gt races, its a problom and it is very dangerous, and i agree with i think dave said maybe get rid of unlimited superbike and just have unlimited gp,
lets get some things changed

[Protein Filled]

There is more than one programmer in this world, you know 

[CCS]

In reply to the original idea of this thread, the only way 1000cc will be allowed in F40 is the addition of the third class.

Right now, as it has been in the past, 50% of the entries in F40 are 600's. Go to any of the Unlimited classes and you will see that number drop to 20% or less. If every rider on a 1000 was old enough for F40 this would be easy, but since they are not, we have to figure out how to not screw those riders who have supported the class just on the "promise" a few more 40 plus riders would enter on 1000's.

Welcome to the Rule Committee's hell.....

[rwracer]

How about making the expert races a lap longer, and the amateur races a lap shorter.  that would motivate people to move up and stop sandbagging.

Or heck, let's go all the way and force people to move up based on lap times (maybe a percentage of pole like with qulifying)!  Then us sandbaggers would really waste our time being forced to go slow or risk being moved up!  And bonus!  there'd be fewer "slow" experts!  lol.

I kjnow, i know, I'm gonna get a beatin for that one.         

[StuartV666]

In reply to the original idea of this thread, the only way 1000cc will be allowed in F40 is the addition of the third class.

Why? Why? WHY??! What is the Official reasoning behind this?

EVERYBODY that has chimed in seems to agree that there are some tracks where 1000s will have an advantage just because of HP. Road Atlanta and Daytona are examples that come to mind. This would *seem* to have the obvious corollary that other tracks will give an advantage to 600s. So, what is wrong with a class where some bikes have an advantage at some tracks and other bikes have an advantage at other tracks?

Most people also seem to agree that "fast guys will go fast" whether they're on 750s or 1000s. So why keep the guys (like me) who can only afford one race bike, and it happens to be a 1000, from entering F40?

We don't have to speculate all that much about what would happen if 1000s were allowed in F40. WERA had the same rules that CCS does now, and they changed them to allow 1000 Supersport (aka Superstock) bikes. If somebody thinks something bad will happen by allowing 1000s in F40, why not check with WERA to see if anything bad actually DID happen when they started allowing them? Mongo? Can you comment, please?!

F40 is supposed to be a class where us old guys can come out and have fun and not have to worry about the typical testosterone-buzzed 20-something out there in his first (or second or third) season on a 600, that is more concerned with winning a $3 piece of wood than whether the guy next to him has to go to work on Monday. Why is there so much angst about allowing 1000s in the class alongside the 750s?? It's a class for old farts. Let the old farts race!

[Super Dave]

Why is there so much angst about allowing 1000s in the class alongside the 750s?? It's a class for old farts. Let the old farts race!

Because the 750's are already allowed to race alongside the 600's. 

I've always been of the opinion that if you're gonna race, buy a bike to race, not try to make a bike fit into a new class or change everything for unique conditions.

That has resulted in more and more and more classes for the concerns of a few individuals.  AHRMA has this problem, and I believe most racing organizations have this problem.

If testosterone is a problem, because I've seen older riders do goofy things in their first (or second or third) season of racing, then track days might be a better option.  Racing IS about competition still.  When I'm tired of that, then I'll stay home and mow the lawn.  Less testosterone.

My opionion.  Your terms and conditions may apply...  :)