07 Rules New Topics being discussed per the ROC mailer

[Jeff]

AM's should be voting for LESS purses because they're typically the ones getting the most financial shock out of racing.

Additionally, "voting" is different than registering/running.

I don't know it for fact, but it sure appears to me that the GT classes are substantially larger in 2006 than they were in previous years when there was purse payout.  I'm very confident that CCS will be reviewing this in their consideration of what they do for 2007.

[rwracer]

Additionally, "voting" is different than registering/running.

I don't know it for fact, but it sure appears to me that the GT classes are substantially larger in 2006 than they were in previous years when there was purse payout.  I'm very confident that CCS will be reviewing this in their consideration of what they do for 2007.

I know we register/run in them all... mainly like I said for practice and I know that every Am we've talked to about it says the same.

I wonder, were there more or less practice rounds in previous years?  Because I know that if there were at least 3 or 4 practice rounds (usually there is only 1 or 2) then alot of us would save the money by not signing up for the GT races.

[rwracer]

I just talked to some of the other guys again, they're all pretty much in agreement it's these two things:

1.  They started signing up for GT's this year because they're much cheaper now (because there's no purse, the price is the same as for other races)

2.  They mainly run them for the extra practice time for the Sprints.

So I guess in some sense we're both right.  I guess if I have to pay for extra practice time I'd rather pay as little as possible.

But, lacking the big contingency bucks of the Experts,  I'd still rather race for a purse!     

[Jeff]

big contingency bucks....  Dude, I just shot diet pepsi out my nose.  Now my sinuses hurt...

Bottom line, the only way you'll make a small fortune in club racing is to start out with a large fortune.

[rwracer]

big contingency bucks....  Dude, I just shot diet pepsi out my nose.  Now my sinuses hurt...

Bottom line, the only way you'll make a small fortune in club racing is to start out with a large fortune.

I just spit out my cola too... I'm not saying "get rich quick"...  but are you going to stand there and say the (overall) contingency money for experts isn't orders of magnitude higher than for Am's?  Plus Experts have access to monies that the Am's can't touch.

Get rich, no, have a better chance of getting somewhere close to even (if you're good enough), I think so.  If a weekend cost me around two G's then Manufacturer contingencies alone are enough to cover that if I just keep finishing around top 5.  If the weekend costs me 4G's or more then you're right, I probably lost out all around.

And that first part's not even my opinion, that's what people on the boards keep telling me.... "go Expert, you can make most of your money back!"

[George_Linhart]

Well then, I think you just answered your own question.  Just go expert and start raking in the big bucks.

Good luck actually winning the big dollar manufacturer contingencies though.  Look at the last Suzuki day at Summit point with the other organization - Tray Batey and Robert Jensen spent the entire day pulling the lap record down almost every single lap.  At any of the dates that serious money is being paid the "professional" contingency chasers come out and even the "fast" local guys have their A## handed to them.

George

[rwracer]

No doubt George.  And I think I hinted that I didn't necessarily think otherwise, or tried to (damn emoticons).  The original point got lost somewhere along the way which was simply that I would prefer to see GT races go back to a purse or just dropped in favor of an extra practice round or two....  that's all.  And I know not everyone will agree with that.  It's all good.

[Bubba]

Why add a a new class for F40?  Why not keep it the way it is but let the F40 ride 1000s?  That would be a simple solution

You may lose as many riders or more than you gain! I know that in the midwest there are alot of older riders intimidated by the speed of the F40 front runners. I don`t think bringing in 1000cc bikes for the fast guys to ride will make any of the already worried 600cc old timers happy. They may just go do track days!!

[Super Dave]

With the continued fragmentation of races into continually shorter and shorter races with less and less practice time...add to that grids based on purchasing event entries months in advance to get a better starting position rather than using points, heats, or qualifying...

AMA racing is looking more attractive.

[ahastings]

back to the original post- I think splitting up up f-40 into 3 divisions would make each too small. 2 divisions is enough. How about allowing 1000s to run under SS rules and the rest under SB or GP rules.
  As far as the purses go, I don't think Amateur classes should have purses, that is why it is called amateur. There really isn't much more money to win for the average expert than AM, except at a handfull of Manufacture dates. actually it is harder to win contingency as an expert. I won more contingency as an amateur and rode much slower.

[Jeff]

And that first part's not even my opinion, that's what people on the boards keep telling me.... "go Expert, you can make most of your money back!"

Those are just people who want you to come expert to add 1 rider to the field and bump up their performance index.  LOL...

[xseal]

How about making the expert races a lap longer, and the amateur races a lap shorter.  that would motivate people to move up and stop sandbagging.