07 Rules New Topics being discussed per the ROC mailer

[251am]

Why add a a new class for F40?  Why not keep it the way it is but let the F40 ride 1000s?  That would be a simple solution

+1  Keep it simple...

I don't know it for fact, but it sure appears to me that the GT classes are substantially larger in 2006 than they were in previous years when there was purse payout.  I'm very confident that CCS will be reviewing this in their consideration of what they do for 2007.

  More AMs run the GTs now for more track time. There seems to be a huge # this year coming from the glut of trackday orgs.. They want 25 minutes, not just 12. (Nothing like stating the obvious.)


  I'd like to see the "exclusive" tag taken off of the SuperTwins class and allow those points acquired to be used for advancement from AM to EX. Edmonson's Moto ST is for Experts/Pros only. If you want much CCS representation in the ST series please make this easier for SuperTwins riders to access. Thank You.     

[Racingxtc7]

I did say at the "World" level where 250's make 20-30 or more HP with 120-150lbs riders.
world- 220lbs bike+ 130lbs rider/ 110hp= 3.18lbs per HP
average- 250lbs bike+ 180lbs rider/ 80hp=5.375lbs per HP

(Thats 180lbs ave with gear Mark, Brian, Tom, Aaron)

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

  I'd like to see the "exclusive" tag taken off of the SuperTwins class and allow those points acquired to be used for advancement from AM to EX. Edmonson's Moto ST is for Experts/Pros only. If you want much CCS representation in the ST series please make this easier for SuperTwins riders to access. Thank You.    

Actually from the rules

"(4.) Any Amateur Rider who scores 400 points within a 12 month period."

Says nothing about only applies to specific classes.

[Super Dave]

Correct, Rob.  You're reading the rules.  Points related to Supertwins don't apply to overall championships, because of the bike's exclusivity, just like Formula 40 points don't apply to the overall championships because of the age exclusivity.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Correct, Rob.  You're reading the rules.  Points related to Supertwins don't apply to overall championships, because of the bike's exclusivity, just like Formula 40 points don't apply to the overall championships because of the age exclusivity.

I know Dave. Back in 03 when it was 750 points, I had well over 1000 when you combined what I got in thunderbike (non championship points) with the points from the supersport classes. But yet they said "thunderbike" didnt count towards expert. Same back in 02 was said. They only counted the "selected classes" towards expert.

[251am]

I know Dave. Back in 03 when it was 750 points, I had well over 1000 when you combined what I got in thunderbike (non championship points) with the points from the supersport classes. But yet they said "thunderbike" didnt count towards expert. Same back in 02 was said. They only counted the "selected classes" towards expert.

  I gave my '06 book to a friend who's setting up a machine for next year. ST points are only excluded from the regional (MW, for example) championships, but not from advancement? From the thread that someone started earlier in the year I got the gist that those points only counted towards figuring standings within SuperTwins results, and nothing else.

  So, the 400 pts; Are those overall combined points, or the points total configured with the PI formula? Gotta get me another rulebook this weekend.   

[ahastings]

It may not say it in the rulebook, but unless they changed something they don't count F-40 or Thunderbike for advancement. They just use the points calculated from the overall points, no PI. In order to count those classes they would have to go through each person individually and add them in since they don't track advancement seperately.

[EX_#76]

  I gave my '06 book to a friend who's setting up a machine for next year. ST points are only excluded from the regional (MW, for example) championships, but not from advancement? From the thread that someone started earlier in the year I got the gist that those points only counted towards figuring standings within SuperTwins results, and nothing else.

  So, the 400 pts; Are those overall combined points, or the points total configured with the PI formula? Gotta get me another rulebook this weekend.   

the rulebook is online

[spyderchick]

Rulebook is here

[jryer]

Yep, keep it simple. Allow 1000's to compete in the existing F40 class. Adding a new class is a bad idea, it would shorten time available for the entire day.

[Mongo]

This is true BUT only because raceroad organazation have grown custom to putting ALL financial burden on the racers. Ever notice that at every single type of sporting event has advertisements of all shapes and sizing. CCS could sent out a promoter to sell the idea of advertising banners for around the race track, stickers and whatever else they can think of. There's a good chance that there is one RV dealership , one Trailer dealership, one Motocycle dealer, one Truck Accessory shop, one whatever local shop near each raceway that would be willing to pay for advertisement and even set up a booth, bring some new RVs to show off.

Go for it, I'd be willing to bet that CCS would even cut you in for a percentage. 

Make sure they don't conflict with a track sponsor, oh yeah make sure you know how much of  a cut the track wants too. 

Racers are a club sanctioning bodies customer, the customers in ANY business pay the bills.  Just because you're racing doesn't change that one iota.

[mmelvis]

I would say let the 1k bikes race in F40. I will sometimes run in the LW F40 myself when funds allow. No need for another class, both groups run on the track at the same time anyway. Kind of fun sometimes when I can actually catch some of the larger bikes (keep them in sight and not be lapped by them). I am slow compared to most of the folks out there but I ride a consistent race line and when someone comes up on me from behind I am predictable (easy to pass).  I am out there doing the best I can and enjoying the time spent on the track, I say the more the merrier.

CCS AM#777 Florida Region