Super Twins Racers need to read this

[HKTowing]

Attention all super twin racers, do you know that the point that you earn do not count towards the regional overall. If you feel like I do and think that this is unfair, you need to write to CCS so we can try to change this ruling. Why should we be penalized for riding a super twin? Do we not put forth the same effort as some one that rides an inline 4? I think that if the points are not going to count then, we should have either better trophies, money paid out, or our own specialized events like ASRA or the USGPRU. Yes, I am aware of the MOTO-ST but that is for small V-twins not super twins, nor is it CCS based. So what do you think?

[G-reg]

I think everything should count.. There's other ones that don't too, like thunderbike and ULWSB, right?

[Ridgeway]

Call me weird, but I'd suggest that only points in the standard classes that are represented across all displacement levels, i.e. SS, SB, GP, and GT should count.  I also think that only points earned in your "native" displacement class should count towards the overall championship.

This would put the different displacement classes on more equal footing vs having the overall points champ being a 600 class rider every year.  Would also put more people in the hunt, and would reduce the need for bottomless pockets to go after the overall.

[cb186]

Call me weird, but I'd suggest that only points in the standard classes that are represented across all displacement levels, i.e. SS, SB, GP, and GT should count.  I also think that only points earned in your "native" displacement class should count towards the overall championship.

This would put the different displacement classes on more equal footing vs having the overall points champ being a 600 class rider every year.  Would also put more people in the hunt, and would reduce the need for bottomless pockets to go after the overall.

only, 600 is the most competetive class.

[Ridgeway]

Yeah, I know that's a major flaw in my suggestion that would give guys in the other classes an advantage.

But...  If you could chase the championship at any displacment level, maybe we'd see the numbers even out some, and 600 riders not being the vast majority?

Alternatively, maybe you could use each rider's top 3 or 4 class point totals?

[SVbadguy]

Yes, I know it sucks and knew that going into it last year.  Had my championship winning points counted I would've finished in the top 10 in my region overall, running a total of 4 classes but not every round of one of those classes.

I think any four classes, your best four if you do more than that, should be what makes up the overall championship.  Every bike has a SS, SB, GP and GT class it can run.

[extrakt0r]

I think you are going to see a big change in how the Overall Championship Battle for this year plays out...

The Points structure for this year dosen't favor the rider who just enters 100 Races a weekend all year, just to get points...You also must place well...

Which ruins my chances for the #1 Plate  :P  ;D

[tug296]

I raced Super Twins and Formula 40, neither counted towards overall points. I think every race run in every CCS event should count for overall CCS points.
 Have asked this question before, have not heard a good reason why as of yet.

[HAWK]

I raced Super Twins and Formula 40, neither counted towards overall points. I think every race run in every CCS event should count for overall CCS points.
 Have asked this question before, have not heard a good reason why as of yet.

I'm 44 and intend to campaign LW F40 (just to dispel any bias) and I can understand why the F40 points don't count toward the overall. A large percentage of the racers in attendance any weekend are not eligible, and can do NOTHING to become eligible to compete in this class.  On other hand I am confused by the exclusion of some of the other classes that are open to anyone.

[russ1962]

Honestly, if I won every F40 race I was in, and it was a contributing factor to winning a No. 1 plate, I'd be embarrassed to display it.  

Are we really trying to claim that we're one of the top 10 riders, when we run bikes and/or classes that aren't in sync with what's happening at an AMA level, the WSB level, or the GP level?

There's support classes, then there's the "main event(s)".  The guy on the 600, or liter bike, that's dicing it up with other riders in that class, pushing track records...  isn't that where the top 10 is being decided?

I don't race for a plate, I race for fun.  I'm not sure what all of us in the 40+ class, the LW classes really think we're out here for?  Money?  Fame?  

Isn't this just a hobby for most of us?

[ecumike]

Just my .02
First off... WHY even have a top10 overall?  WTF does it mean?... "I have a lot of money and I entered the most races" ?... b/c that's what it seems to be and how you get there right?.. it's a #s game...  (yes, I'm sure there are exceptions where top10 riders didn't enter 5+ races each weekend and went to every weekend, and instead were REALLY good, placed top 5 in every 3-4 races they entered, but that's probably the case for only two out of the top10 riders)


I'd rather be a class champion in 2-3 classes in my region, then be a mid/upper-packer in 5-6 classes and be placed in the top-10 overall for my region.

I like restricting the classes that count towards the overall, b/c the above is exactly what it helps prevent... entering a sh1tload of races just to collect points to say you're a top10 in the region.  That makes it pretty hollow.

[spyderchick]

I think the reasoning behind not allowing points in some classes is because the machinery or rider is exclusive to that class.

For ex: Supertwins excludes all 4 cyl machines, F40 and LW F40 excludes all riders under 40 years of age, allowing them to run in additional classes.

If you look at the rule book, Supersport, Superbike, All GT classes and GP, are mostly inclusive, rather than exclusive in regards to make and model of bikes. Yes there are some exceptions when it come to the GP style bikes or grey market bikes, but the rules will allow anywhere from a single cyl on up. It's clear that each class creates some parity.

Unfortunately, this is a club level sport, which means that it cannot be everything for everyone.