Super Twins Racers need to read this

[jer271]

MAKE ONE CLASS COUNT FOR THE FRICKING PLATE  >:(
THAT CLASS SHOULD BE UNLIMITED GP BECAUSE YOU QUALIFY AND EVERYBODY, ALMOST EVERBODY, RUNS IT WITH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, IF YOUR CONSISTANT ON AN SV OR A 250 OR RC51 OR 600 OR EVEN A YAMAHA ZUMA YOULL HAVE 1 THRU 10 #!! THE WHOLE BUSSINESS ASPECT OF IT, WELL THEN MAKE IT WORTH RACING THE OTHER CLASSES WITH AN OVERALL CHAMPIONSHIP AND SOME DAMN INCENTIVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH.

THANK YOU ALL IAM JEREMY BENTZ AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT  ;D

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Yes, I was bumped to Ex, and 75% of my points come from supertwins.

But they wouldnt count my thunderbike points in for advancement to expert even though the rulebook stated 500 points in a 12 month period. Nothing about "selected classes" for going to expert.

[251am]

 Hmm, maybe that WAS another case of how it used to be, I hope, and the new management will be an improvement. I guess I'll send off a letter.

  All the other arguments aside, it seems pretty odd that points earned in a class (supertwins) don't count for other applications. In one case stated here they DID count for Am to Ex advancement and in another they did NOT?

      

[Gixxerblade]

But they wouldnt count my thunderbike points in for advancement to expert even though the rulebook stated 500 points in a 12 month period. Nothing about "selected classes" for going to expert.

I believe they counted for me.

[Eric Kelcher]

The advancement list is done by overall points. The limited number of people that run some of the "sportsman classes" 125,Thunderbike, F40, F40l can result in someone being over 750 points(previous requirement) without having the skill level that is normally associated with someone acheiving that many points. If you are not on the automatic generatored bump list then you can petition for advancment and those results are looked at on a case by case basis. The only time those results hit the automatic bump list is by winning one of those championships.

[Gixxer124]

I am not a sandbagger!

[PJ]

Back to the original intent of this post...

There are inconsistencies regarding which classes CCS determines to count toward overall points, and those that count towards advancement from AM to EX.

So, SuperTwins, Thunderbike, 125GP and both F40 classes don't count toward either the overall championship or AM/EX? Why?

If the reason given on overall points is the exclusionary nature of the class for equipment or rider, then I can mabye buy 125GP and F40. But why Thunderbike? It actually includes more eligible equipment than Lightweight SuperSport or Superbike. So does SuperTwins. Not only is every SV650 and Buell eligible (if not competitive), but all the big liquid-cooled twins as well (Ducks, TLs, RC51s.).

As far as the argument about smaller grids, this is also inconsistent. Check average results from a Thunderbike race vs. Lightweight SuperSport. Thunderbike will have a bigger grid every time.

Also, why then does Ultra Light Superbike count towards both overall points and AM/EX upgrade? This is the former Middleweight Sportsman class and these days has a very slim field. I suspect the average SuperTwins field is larger than ULSB. It certainly was at the Daytona ROC.

Seems like it's time for a re-think.

[Super Dave]

Good points, Paul.

Twins classes.  Yeah, twins...exclusive.  

Thunderbike?  I'll agree on a new look at that.

But this is all stuff for 2007.  Not our fault though for not bringing it up earlier.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

I am not a sandbagger!

Yes you are. ;D

[CCS]

Over the last 6 seasons, we (CCS) had been under tremendous pressure to change the way the Top Ten Numbers were awarded on a regional level.

First issue to be tackled was the "unfairness" of being able to run 20 classes with a Lightweight SuperSport bike (i.e. the SV 650 that hit the scene in 1999) and win the title going away. It happened and everyone complained because the one bike was also legal for the "Sportsman" classes that normal machinery didn't fit into. So in 2002, we excluded those Sportsman and Formula 40 classes that kept out mainstream motorcycles and riders.

That was all good until the end of the 2002 when the rules committee was bombarded by people who pointed out that if Formula 40 was unfair to include because of the restrictive age requirement, then SuperTwins wasn't fair to leave in the mix for the same reason...it had become a 6-8 bike field that was "easy" compared tom the 30-40 bike fields the other machines had to face. The rules committee listened and so we were down to the classes where a whole range of engine designs compete under the same basic rules, with twins being given a displacement advantage over their 4-cylinder cousins. It wasn't that SuperTwins were any less worthy of racing; it was the exclusivity of the "club" that got the masses to request the change, the same basis that made it harder to win the title with just an SV650.

From 2003 to 2005 the application of the Top Ten and Top Amateur Awards have been based on SuperSport, SuperBike, Grand Prix and GT classes total points, classes divided mainly by displacement not engine design or rider age.

These changes were suggested to the rules committee, voted in by the rules committee and have openly been instituted for the last 3 full seasons.
 
For 2006, after much discussion, the rules committee voted to institute the formula of multiplying your points by your performance index and dividing by 1000 (just to bring it back to 5-6 digits). This gives the benefit to those riders who compete against larger fields, since third in a race with forty bikes pays a higher perfromance index than third in a field of 6 riders.

It is the opinion of the Rules Committee that this formula will restore the prestige of earning a CCS Top Ten Number because the rider now has to race often and race well to earn a position in this group.

Now as far as the ASRA classes, it's because we award a national number 1 in EACH class that we don't add up your point totals to assign the number 1 plate.

[Super Dave]

It is the opinion of the Rules Committee that this formula will restore the prestige of earning a CCS Top Ten Number because the rider now has to race often and race well to earn a position in this group.

+1

It's a great change, Kevin.  Thanks!

[PJ]

Thanks for the background, Kevin. I understand the logic and intent now.