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[TommyG]

I am the guy that helped with his suspension.  ;D

When I raced there were guys that talked sh!t all year about doing 13, 12, 11, 10's
Baker

Look in the mirror Baker! There`s one now!! ;D

[cbr806]

This thread is really evolving.  Where was Benji this year?  I expected big things from him.

Some AM's from this year that must have been in the 13's or close:  Eric Broekholder (28), Nate Doebert (88), Mat Losen (266), and JT Stone (720-he went expert mid-year).  I don't know what kind of previous experience they had, and they did crash alot.  Dobert's ride at the Sept ACC was unbelievable.

Jeffy - host a picture for me so I can get rid of that stupid X box over there on the left.  I'll email it to you & email me back a link OK?

[Super Dave]

Look in the mirror Baker! There`s one now!! ;D

+1

[Super Dave]

A first year am - maybe nothing is impossible. A first time out on the track guy??!!!??!

Come on Dave - Give us some proof or shut up.  :-X  Prove it. Prove it and shut me up!  :D

Yeah, I'm bad, with all the exact details, but here's how it went.

Said rider had not been on a track, and had not raced a motorcycle.  First session out in school, he fell down almost immediately.  Straighten him out, etc., etc.  Pretty much sorted by the end of the day.  Still ragged at the edges.  

Can't pre enter without a license.  So, in August of 2002, rider started from the back and as able to catch the front group.  Highest finish was a third, I believe, I know there was a fifth...might have actually moved into third.

The point is that a rider can show up and be a front running amateur in a season, running times of a front running competitive amateur.  

It doesn't happen to everyone.  On the other side, not every new amateur starts out at the race track finishing last either.

I know that Benji did times in the 13's in 2003.  I know expert 600 times were into the 11's.  

[Super Dave]

I've seen a lot of new people go fast for a lap.  I've seen a lot of new people go fast for several laps.  I've seen those same new people crash repeatedly until they give up and go back to bowling or whatever the hell they did before they thought they could race.  If you ask those new people what it takes to go fast, they will either say they don't know, or give a ridiculous answer (dude! just pin it in every turn with no brakes).

There are old fast guys that can't necessarily tell someone how to go fast.  They know how they do it, but they might not be able to convert that to something that is translateable.  

This is where data aquisition has been invaluable.  Some riders, a small number, have very specific abilities that allow them to do things at a different level.  Getting infomation from that kind of a rider is really, really hard.  "What's the bike doing""  "I don't know..."

Yeah, some riders explore the envolpe differently than others.  Some do put it together.  Some don't crash much and go back to bowling too.  What's the point?

[Super Dave]

If I'm wrong than so be but it say right in Dave's quoted box "Benji started motorcycle road racing in August of 2002 on his private Suzuki." that you said Dave wrote on September 13, 2003. That's a year and that's great but it aint a first time out.

I'm fine calling this a draw because Dave is what he is - "Super" at racing, and I hate to argue.

Don't change the topic...

Competitive the first year out...Yes, immedately.  Did the one race in August, then prepared for 2003.

Yes, Benji crashed, but Benji won races alot.  I don't have any archival information, someone else can find that.

13 the first time out?  No.  Wouldn't have expected that at the old Blackhawk in 2002.  13's in 2003.  Sure.  Fastest time, "personal best", was a 13.4...usually you lead up to your fastest time.  How many riders start doing 13's after only doing 19's all the time?  It wasn't a thirteen, but that one was his personal best of 2003 as an amateur in September 2003.  I guess that's thirteen months...but we weren't talking about turning 13's the first time out...but turning fast amateur times the first time out.  It can be done.

[EX#996]

Yeah, I'm bad, with all the exact details, but here's how it went.

Said rider had not been on a track, and had not raced a motorcycle.  First session out in school, he fell down almost immediately.  Straighten him out, etc., etc.  Pretty much sorted by the end of the day.  Still ragged at the edges.  

Can't pre enter without a license.  So, in August of 2002, rider started from the back and as able to catch the front group.  Highest finish was a third, I believe, I know there was a fifth...might have actually moved into third.

The point is that a rider can show up and be a front running amateur in a season, running times of a front running competitive amateur.  

It doesn't happen to everyone.  On the other side, not every new amateur starts out at the race track finishing last either.

I know that Benji did times in the 13's in 2003.  I know expert 600 times were into the 11's.  
 

Come on Dave.... Spill, who are you referring to?

 ;)

[Jeff]

Jeffy - host a picture for me so I can get rid of that stupid X box over there on the left.  I'll email it to you & email me back a link OK?

I think all the guys you named were running 13's.

Yeah, email me the pic.  jeff@cbr600rr.com

[StumpysWife]

It's not a 1:13 at BHF, but Stumpy got into the 1:14s in July 2003, with a 1:14.10.  This was his first year ever on the track.  No track days, nothing.  I don't think he got into the 1:12s and 1:13s until 2004.

Back to the cornerworker thing...love, love, love all the cornerworkers to death, but, if my husband was on the track, I would be SCARED if I knew corners were manned by people who were forced to work just so they could race.  Of course, the experience is good, but not everyone is cut out for that responsibility.  

Heather

[Johnson]

Blackhawk, Wegman Weekend 2004, 113.2 best. Ran 6 of 8 laps in the 13's, and I'm an idiot....ask anyone. First year amateur......took Daves school too, in the rain even.  ;D

[TommyG]

I think alot of guys reading this may get let down at Blackhawk this year. The times posted here (most) were right after the track was repaved. I`m not saying the track is junk, but there are definitely some spots that are important to fast times that deteriorated slowly throughout 2005. It`s only going to be worse after winter! :(

[Jeff]

Tommy, stop making pre-excuses for being slow.