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[BRG]

2003 with a rider we worked with.  Never raced a motorcycle.  Never did a track day before we abused him at our school.  It happens.  

Dave,
You are smoking some good sh!t............

[Super Dave]

Sorry, it wasn't you.

[Dawn]

Sorry, it wasn't you.

Who was it?

[BRG]

give him some time, he will make someone up. ;D

[Dawn]

give him some time, he will make someone up. ;D

LMAO!!!

 ;D

[Jeff]

I guess I don't find it totally impossible that a 1st year amateur could run a 13.  However, I would question them being able to sustain that pace, and improve upon it during the season.

Reason being, a first year amateur has NO wisdom (for this exercise defined as applied knowledge) when it comes to roadracing.

I've seen a lot of new people go fast for a lap.  I've seen a lot of new people go fast for several laps.  I've seen those same new people crash repeatedly until they give up and go back to bowling or whatever the hell they did before they thought they could race.  If you ask those new people what it takes to go fast, they will either say they don't know, or give a ridiculous answer (dude! just pin it in every turn with no brakes).

There's a level of wisdom that it takes to sustain a fast pace (13's at BHF) which a new racer doesn't have.

While nothing is impossible, the probability of a 1st year amateur, coming onto the track with no racing experience and to be able to safely and consistently run 13's at BHF is extremely slim at best.

[mike_rbm]

give him some time, he will make someone up. ;D

Ouch!  :D

You forgot to mention he got off the track at the emergency exit in turn 5 and raced over to the tower! ::)

 ;D  A first year guy NEVER RACED ANY TYPE OF BIKE OR EVEN A TRACK DAY?!?!??????!?!!! That would be the only way they'd turn a 13 is if they cut across the pits!! LOL!

Way to sell your school Dave.  ::)

I guess I don't find it totally impossible that a 1st year amateur could run a 13.  - - - - - - -- --
While nothing is impossible, the probability of a 1st year amateur, coming onto the track with no racing experience and to be able to safely and consistently run 13's at BHF is extremely slim at best.

A first year am - maybe nothing is impossible. A first time out on the track guy??!!!??!

Come on Dave - Give us some proof or shut up.  :-X  Prove it. Prove it and shut me up!  :D

[Dawn]

I bet Dave is talking about Benji Thorton.  He started racing in April of 2003 but it took him until September (with a LOT of races and a few crashes under his belt) to reach A 13 at Blackhawk.  

Here's a quote from Benji from September 8th, 2003

Hey BRG,
dude what was i thinking!!!! not to take anything from everyone else who has helped me out this year,
but props to Baker for making me fast on Sun.
I said " Brian, i got front end chatter and i've tried everything" He walks over to my bike (fitted with  
a Traxxion Dynamics front-end) and he turned
this and screwed that.....oh....my.....chatter gone,
i'm gone!!!!! sorry fellas i had to do it....the bike felt so good after that. not the fastest, but got my
personal best lap time the very next race.
1:13.4..... and didn't even break a sweat.
I'm glad we have people like Brian Baker, Dave Rosno, Tom Mason...trackside to help people like me(uneducated). for all amateurs and experts out there trying to find that extra second or 2, utilize
these people, makes racing so much more fun!!!!
Benji. #30

Dawn

[Dawn]

Ooops, my mistake. Here's a post from Dave from September 13, 2003...

On a more gentle note...
 
Benji Thorton won the Championship Cup Series Blackhawk Farms Championship.
 
I think that makes four out of the last five amateur champions as Visionsports' riders:  Mike McCay, Steve Kessenich, Mike Chachere, & Benji Thorton.
 
Benji started motorcycle road racing in August of 2002 on his private Suzuki.  
 
I'm happy to say that the guys at Visionsports helped a bit, but, still, Benji had to show up, learn whole lot about fixing bikes, and he had to execute.
 
Nice Job, Benji.
 
Time for you to list your sponsors...

[mike_rbm]

Ooops, my mistake. Here's a post from Dave from September 13, 2003...

If I'm wrong than so be but it say right in Dave's quoted box "Benji started motorcycle road racing in August of 2002 on his private Suzuki." that you said Dave wrote on September 13, 2003. That's a year and that's great but it aint a first time out.

I'm fine calling this a draw because Dave is what he is - "Super" at racing, and I hate to argue.

[Jeff]

And if it is Benji, I'll quote myself...

I
I've seen a lot of new people go fast for a lap.  I've seen a lot of new people go fast for several laps.  I've seen those same new people crash repeatedly until they give up and go back to bowling or whatever the hell they did before they thought they could race.  If you ask those new people what it takes to go fast, they will either say they don't know, or give a ridiculous answer (dude! just pin it in every turn with no brakes).

This is no hack on the man (Benji), as he's a darned fast guy.  But he did fall down more than most...

Or maybe I'm just so slow that I stay upright?

[BRG]

I am the guy that helped with his suspension.  ;D

Just because someone posted it on the BBS it is true? When I raced there were guys that talked sh!t all year about doing 13, 12, 11, 10's and I never saw them, talk is one thing doing it is another.
(This has nothing to do with Benj.)

Baker