Grids by pre-entry

[Stinger562]

As for the post dated check thing, I'd be interested to hear if that's true and doubt it. Your "supa star" status may have something to do with you being able to do that.  ;)

Well I'm only a superstar in my own mind, and I can attest that this is the way Henry does things,  I rely on it since I usually don't have the money put aside til the race weekend.  Hell, Henry was still holding on to a check from last September's cancelled race and didn't deposit it til this week after I ran Homestead. But you can give him a call and he'll tell you the same :P

[r6_philly]

gridding by point is not fair either because unless I follow the series seriously and faithfully, I would not be able to get a front row position no matter how fast I am or how slow the others are.

technically if you are really fast from the previous year and has high finishing positions you should be moved to expert and the whole field would probably be gridded by entry anyway for the first race.

and the only people who did not bump up to expert were probably not fast enough so again you will have slow people gridded up front by points and faster new comers gridded by entry behind the slow 2nd year novices.

so what does the point system solve?

Truthfully if you have a good understanding of how racing should work:

1. race is not won on the first lap, if you are fast, and can't get a good clean start.,then get by them after the start,

2. track is pretty wide, grid properly, aim for spaces between the people in front of you, and give yourself more space.

3. since you know there are 30 other people trying to get a good start, and they are infront of you, then it is your responsibility to control your actions so you wouldn't run into anyone.

If you want to argue about it not being fair, I wouldn't agree more. If you want to say it is not safe...

to be able to safely pass anyone is a racing skill itself. And you should have a good handle on it. Especially in the novice ranks where skill differences varies widely.

if you are a fast novice and gridded upfront, you will most likely lap people later in the race. So you will have to face that anyway and be able to deal with it.

I don't think a part of race org's safety concerns is whether or not people can safely pass each other. I don't know what to say, I have had my problems with passing slow riders, but I can't ask the race orgs to not let slow riders ride, they won't do it anyway.

so get a white plate and it would be a lot better. still have incidents but you are generalizing stead of talking about specific incidents.

[Shady]

I realize that time constraints dont allow for qualifying for every race, but I dont see why racers couldnt be gridded according to the best lap time during a single consolidated  qualifying session held at the beginning of the day or their best practice lap time.   ???  

[Protein Filled]

We went through this before. How would you handle people with multiple bikes? Should you get gridded in your 600 race according to the lap times you do on your 1000? What about if you crash/break at the beggining of the session?

The real truth here is that you will never make everyone happy, no matter how much you try!

I realize that time constraints dont allow for qualifying for every race, but I dont see why racers couldnt be gridded according to the best lap time during a single consolidated  qualifying session held at the beginning of the day or their best practice lap time.   ???  

[r6_philly]

qualifying would not be possible for all classes because the logistics of a CCS weekend cann't possbile make it fair. They don't have the man power to check the machines... etc... so they make it EX ULGP only which means every machine is legal.

although it would be nice to see AM ULGP to be gridded by qualifying too. It is the only AM event that pays purse and have higher entry fees (GT's don't count anymore because its not paying cash) and fair gridding would be more important and it wouldn't be any harder to enforce than EX ULGP.

I am sure the AM's would love it. I guess they can't spare another 15 minutes.

[motobenco]

Eliminate some classes and make the races longer.  Six lap sprints can be won from the front in the first lap, add more time to the races and spread the field out.  Edgar weren't you saying how close the 600 is to the 1000 at most tracks, excluding RA and 'Tona? If we really want qualifying for all races there would need to be some self-regulation involved.  I'm all for grids done alphabetically, or heck make it a lottery, buck a ball and the proceeds go to Wegman or RRAF.  Really make it interesting go back to a Lemans style start, I can haul ass in my Sidi's, just don't ask what I was running from.  

[r6_philly]

 I'm all for grids done alphabetically,   

waaaaaa??? I always be on the last row of the last wave  ;D

[Super Dave]

Eliminate some classes and make the races longer

That was my idea with more purse paying classes.  Might actually make us a bit more marketable to our sponsors and to the outside.

[r6_philly]

That was my idea with more purse paying classes.  Might actually make us a bit more marketable to our sponsors and to the outside.

when they extended the sprints from 7 laps to 8 laps there were plenty who complained that 8 laps are too long. I don't think CCS want to take a gamble at loosing entries/total revnues if they extend the races and loose a few classes.

or more people would race the GT's but they don't

[hooter31]

Dan,according to your own words you are not a front runner,so if they gridded by points you would still be at the back of the  grid so what is your point???And as far as calling me or anyone else who feels the system they have is the best possible given the time and money  the ccs has, a lemming and an ass medicator is uncalled for.For someone who is new to the sport you sure know how to piss alot of people off just because they don't agree with you

[r6_philly]

I hate to be in the same race with people think gridding slower riders in front will cause safety problems...

I did question the gridding system years ago, but I just felt it was unfair and later realized that there is really no "better" solution.

and now I have a white plate and I wouldn't complain about getting gridded in the back. I rather qualify anyway.

[spyderchick]

waaaaaa??? I always be on the last row of the last wave  ;D

Unless there was a family of Ziffles... ::) ;) ;D