Grids by pre-entry

[r6_philly]

Unless there was a family of Ziffles... ::) ;) ;D

actually there are maybe 5 -10 that are after me. but around here if not deadlast, on the last row...

I always thought it would be cool just to be deadlast on any list... at least there is no guess work

sucks when I go to some courth though!!!  >:(

[fiptas]

Dan,according to your own words you are not a front runner,so if they gridded by points you would still be at the back of the  grid so what is your point???And as far as calling me or anyone else who feels the system they have is the best possible given the time and money  the ccs has, a lemming and an ass medicator is uncalled for.For someone who is new to the sport you sure know how to piss alot of people off just because they don't agree with you

I raced three times with CCS last year along with a full season with WERA. MWSS and MWSBK  I finished between 7th and 13th starting from the back in every race. This past Sunday I was gridded 48th or so out of 53 bikes and finished 12th. I'm going from memory so that may be off a little but it was row 13 and 16 respectively. At the ROC where was a modern scoring system my times (Mid 1:34) put me 7th fastest of the Novice 600's. I'm not going to get on the box but I would like to at least be running with the front pack instead of dodging guys both on and off their bikes. But I guess to do that I'm have to start stroking checks, as CCS doesn't grid based on competitive results, hard work, or ability.
     See my above posts, because I'm sick of saying it, but anyone who argues that NOT sorting grids by points or qualifying, on the whole, isn't less safe is an idiot. It's common sense. Imagine if the AMA SBK series started all the privateers up front and made the factory guys come through from behind. They are the most skilled racers in the country and they still routinely take out lappers coming through because of the dangers of the closing speeds and disparity in lines. I had to pass 30+ bikes to finish 12th and more than a few of those passes got hairy because of erratic riding or closing speed. I didn't take anyone out or run anyone off, just to get to the front, and I won't because my first responsibility is to the safety of the riders around me. It would be nice if the org running the events would have the same concern for our safety.
     My comments though harsh, convey the contempt I would think every racer would feel upon realizing, that such a fundamental (I think Super Dave said) "most dangerous" part of racing, is made much more so by an unnecessary and bad system. A system that until someone states a convincing reason otherwise I suspect is motivated by money.
    

[spyderchick]

Interesting discussion, and one that will be dabated until the end of the ages.

If you think about it for safety, as some might suggest, the faster riders ought to be up front, than you would grid by fastest time in practice, simply because CCS does not have the time to grid by qualifying under it's present configuration. IF...and I mean if you were to have qualifying, this would require more time out of the scheduled weekend, which would mean less classes and higher costs.  There's already alot of bellyaching about costs, but simple math suggests that this would mean you'd have to bear that financial burden. Consider the fact that $10 extra per class will get some racer's undies in a bundle, and you can see why CCS is reluctant to make any changes.

I really see this as a Rat's Nest, and no one likes poison..   ::)

[fiptas]

Interesting discussion, and one that will be dabated until the end of the ages.

If you think about it for safety, as some might suggest, the faster riders ought to be up front, than you would grid by fastest time in practice, simply because CCS does not have the time to grid by qualifying under it's present configuration. IF...and I mean if you were to have qualifying, this would require more time out of the scheduled weekend, which would mean less classes and higher costs.  There's already alot of bellyaching about costs, but simple math suggests that this would mean you'd have to bear that financial burden. Consider the fact that $10 extra per class will get some racer's undies in a bundle, and you can see why CCS is reluctant to make any changes.

I really see this as a Rat's Nest, and no one likes poison..   ::)

 I understand it's a sore spot. As any bad rule is. Of course they could just use the points they already track to award the riders who have loyally shown up and spent money supporting vendors and the event and finished well staying upright. Just think under CCS rules someone could be gridded up front, crash their brains out, take out other riders, DNF and continue to be gridded up front ALL YEAR LONG. WTF???? What kind of system rewards that type of behavior/judgment?  The CCS one does.
Thanks BTW for at least responding to the actual issue instead of BS rationalizations and insults.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Interesting discussion, and one that will be dabated until the end of the ages.

If you think about it for safety, as some might suggest, the faster riders ought to be up front, than you would grid by fastest time in practice, simply because CCS does not have the time to grid by qualifying under it's present configuration. IF...and I mean if you were to have qualifying, this would require more time out of the scheduled weekend, which would mean less classes and higher costs.  There's already alot of bellyaching about costs, but simple math suggests that this would mean you'd have to bear that financial burden. Consider the fact that $10 extra per class will get some racer's undies in a bundle, and you can see why CCS is reluctant to make any changes.
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Yep. Just think is CCS went to qualifying everyone. Basically we'd end up with 4-5 classes for both am and expert. Then there would be experts bitchign about qualifying with amateurs and those sessions would need to be split. Then the UL guys will want to qualify separate from HW, MW and LW. Next thing you know, it would be 8-10 practice, 10-1 qualifying  1-3 sorting it out and setting up grids and 3-4:30 for races. Watch entry fees skyrocket as the number of riders drops from 200-300 per event (BHF for an example) to 50-100.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

waaaaaa??? I always be on the last row of the last wave  ;D

Not if it went in reverse alphabetical order.:D:D