Re: VOTE!

[r1owner]

Dave,

I guess for me it just comes down to this.  If there is a way to help people out that can't afford health insurance, than why not try?

Like you said, your Father worked as hard as any man.  Perhaps harder than some of the richest men in the world.  Should he be denied reasonable healthcare becuase he didn't have the opportunities other people had?

I'd rather have to wait for an operation than not have a chance of ever getting one.

[VPFL]

Man, are you sure.  Maybe we shouldn't collect taxes for the police and firefighters then.  What about FEMA?  What about all the subsidies the gov't gives to farmers.  That is in effect "taking" care of you.

Not all taxes are bad. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. For you taxes for your firefighters and police are different than mine unless of course you live in Broward County. Our firefighters are probably the highest paid in all of FL and as for our police force...dont get me started.

FEMA is a very worthy cause and I have no problem with my tax dollars going there.

I whole heartedly agree with SOME subsidized programs- farmers being one.

[r1owner]

Not all taxes are bad. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. For you taxes for your firefighters and police are different than mine unless of course you live in Broward County. Our firefighters are probably the highest paid in all of FL and as for our police force...dont get me started.

FEMA is a very worthy cause and I have no problem with my tax dollars going there.

I whole heartedly agree with SOME subsidized programs- farmers being one.

Ah, seeing that you're from Florida I can see why you'd think FEMA is a good thing! ;)

On another forum I'm on, some people thought that FEMA monies should not have been used in FL after all the hurricanes.  They argued that people that lived there knew the risk and therefore should not be allowed federal assistance. ???

[VPFL]

Perhaps harder than some of the richest men in the world.  Should he be denied reasonable healthcare becuase he didn't have the opportunities other people had?

When I hear comments like this- I cant help but holler "look out your on a slippery slope". Why is being rich a bad thing? Hard work does not mean entitlements. Some of the most labor intensive jobs are the lowest paying-pay being relative to where you live.

When I meet someone that is sucessful, I pick their brain for as much as they will give me. Knowledge is power and can get you most anywhere you want to go in life.

[VPFL]

Ah, seeing that you're from Florida I can see why you'd think FEMA is a good thing! ;)

On another forum I'm on, some people thought that FEMA monies should not have been used in FL after all the hurricanes.  They argued that people that lived there knew the risk and therefore should not be allowed federal assistance. ???

I thank God I have never had to find out if I am insured enough to cover loss that most of those people saw. I pay a bundle in homeowners and windstorm. I am sure it will increase :o-that is the price I pay for living where I do. 8)

And for Fed Asst arguement I would write: What about all the people that live in 'tornado alley' or the people that live in the severe north that gets ice storms each year?

[smoke]

Welfare...let's go back to that.

Are the newest recently jobless?  Probably more than jobless.

Anyone got any figures?

How about welfare as it relates to the people that have been in it the longest?

If I had problems, I could probably find a few friends or family that would help me out.  Not the choice for everyone, but...

I would need to call a buddy at the ST dept to get numbers.

If I had problems, I could probably find a few friends or family that would help me out. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I knew two that would  ;D

[smoke]

When my tax dollars go into a broken system, it does concern me and I'm surprised it doesn't concern you.
1.  All of your tax dollars do not go into welfare and you know that.  I know where some of your tax dollars go.   ;D  I do not know where all tax money goes but i wish I had the brake out.  Oh don't be surprised by my answers since you don't know me and I don't know you.
 Another classic 'broken' system that does not work Social Security. This is a system that has seen its day and should be slowly terminated. It will never happen but this is how I feel.

2.  You may get your wish. As you do know that Bush wants to allow the young to not pay into SS.
I take issue with government taking money from my pocket to take care of me in any respect.

Why dont we get a system that gives Americans the choice to pay into or not pay into. Doctors can choose to participate in the program or not...(I know why this wont work and so does every person that pushs for this type of health care system)

My brother said to me the other day...why is it that banks are willing to give money to people who already have money. But those of us that really need it and dont have it, cant get it. (yeah he loves Nader). I said to him simply- You build equity in yourself and a bank will give you money. This is something that has taken me 40+ years to do. It  was not always an easy path- and thank god it was not- for all of the hard times made me stronger and wiser.

I love being goofy ;D but not when it comes to money and politics.  8)

[smoke]

Did I tell you that Ike and I were switching identies at the last Blackhawk...again, people have a hard time telling us apart.     LOL!


Please don't tell me Ike was in a thong!!!!!!!!!!  LOL

[Super Dave]

Dave,

I guess for me it just comes down to this.  If there is a way to help people out that can't afford health insurance, than why not try?

Like you said, your Father worked as hard as any man.  Perhaps harder than some of the richest men in the world.  Should he be denied reasonable healthcare becuase he didn't have the opportunities other people had?

I'd rather have to wait for an operation than not have a chance of ever getting one.

I'll start with the first one...

Reduce the cost of health insurance...not make it affordable.  If you make any thing or service, it has costs associated with it.  Can anyone disagree that people in the health care industry need to be paid a reasonable wage?  

They have to pay for their insurance and taxes too.  So, what if we reduced their insurance costs by limiting litigation?  Don't we on a regular basis hear about "awards" made in many instances and even "settling out of court" for things that, on the surface, seem maybe a little strange?  Certainly, there are cases that are a little out of whack.  

But going back to rich people and businesses...

There seems to be the need for some to bash on those that have the money.  Sue me and I'll give you part of my debt.  How would that be?  Being rich isn't about genetics.  Can be about long hours away from a family.  Yeah, we can make a case for the minority few that are born or are married in to wealth.  Not the normal case though.  Remaining well off is certainly an art also.  You can blow it quickly, or run the business into the ground.

I personally feel that it is the litigous nature that the United States has is one of the reasons for rising costs in almost everything.  Health care hits us hardest as it hits families into making decisions about when and where to take care of family health issues...dire ones at times.

Certainly, we need taxes to support programs of immediate care.  However, I don't know if you have heard this in your communities, but I now here how government agencies like to have higher wages for government workers to "compete with the private sector"...Where's the competition?  Government agencies, local, state, and fed, usually have incredible health and retirement plans that "private sector" businesses can't compete with.  Additionally, government doesn't compete against other businesses.  Isn't the stability and benefits program the government job has the thing that makes it competitive against the private sector?