How about modifying the CCS Midwest Schedule??

[Thingy]

Um, MAM is in Iowa.  I leave on the east side of Iowa and it is the same distance as RA, and closer that Grattan, Brainerd, Gateway, etc.

Yeah, Topeka is pretty far and I don't really like the track anyway.  But, I think that tracks in Iowa and Kansas are more 'midwest' than Michigan.  

I know that most of the MW riders are on the east side of the region, but you guys are complaining about going to 1 or 2 tracks that are 'too far west.'  What about the racers on the west side of the region that have to travel the same distance to get to the rest of the tracks?  Suck it up ladies and Gentleman.  (Stumpy not withstanding)  ;)

On a positive note, the proposed schedule does sound pretty good other than that.  :-/

[LMsports]

Get over it you sissy's...I say we race everywhere. Just kidding. I'm going crazy working on next season already. Hopefully a schedule will be available soon...

[EX#996]

I know that most of the MW riders are on the east side of the region, but you guys are complaining about going to 1 or 2 tracks that are 'too far west.'  What about the racers on the west side of the region that have to travel the same distance to get to the rest of the tracks?  Suck it up ladies and Gentleman.  (Stumpy not withstanding)  ;)

On a positive note, the proposed schedule does sound pretty good other than that.  :-/

Nope

Sorry

I'm going to whine anyways....  

Although Paul and I are a bit closer (2 hours) than Heather and Greg to the tracks.

 ;)

[Super Dave]

Sorry, RA costs too much.

Eliminate one BFR, and you'll never get it back unless you schedule in early April again.

Being from Omaha, when I started, Blackhawk was the closest track at the that time (before there was a Heartland Park Topeka) at 442 miles.

Topeka is reasonbly close to other racers in other states.  Hallett has a lot of racers.  Some of those guys go to Topeka.  Some of the CRA people go to MAM.  

If you want fewer races, go to fewer races.  What's the point otherwise?

Blackhawk Farms has it's own championship even.  What more do you want?

[Mark Bernard]

I would like to see Topeka eliminated altogether and maybe add another BFR, Gateway, or Gratten. I am not oppposed to Barber either. My .02 Bernie

[tshort]

To reiterate, the thought was to focus on what would make sense for MIDWEST region racers - not GL or GP.  Can't argue about Grattan, Putnam, and Gin for GL riders, or Topeka and MAM for GP riders.  BUT - we're talking MW here.  

It seems like the bulk of riders who consider themselves MW region are mainly from the Southeastern Wisconsin/Chicago area.  And then there are the diehards from U.P. Michigan/Northern Wisconsin/Minn. who also seem to follow the MW schedule rather than the GL or GP schedules.

But after that, if you live in Western Iowa, then race the GP schedule, and don't worry about the MW one.  All I'm sayin, is if you are in the Chicago/SE Wisconsin area, those GP tracks are a hike.  And that doesn't make much sense to me when there are plenty of choices in our own backyard.

As someone else pointed out, Autobahn already seems to be an option, given WERAs schedule.  So maybe we need someone at CCS to get with it and get us in there.

Re RA, the chicane has taken some of the fun out of that track, so I don't miss not being there twice a season, even tho it's only about 50 mins from me.  We could more than make up for that with some additional BFR races and a couple Autobahns thrown in.  And then maybe a Milwaukee Mile event (altho maybe not, if there's too much concrete involved).

Look at LRRS - their whole series is run on one track.  We've got it so good here-  why are we killing ourselves travelling all over he11's half acre when we have so many options closer in?

[Thingy]

Tom, I understand your point.  It makes sense.  I still don't agree, but understand your point.  However... I would agree if the regions did not overlap so much.

I think this would work pretty well if CCS made a concious effort to segregate the regions.  Unfortunately, the MW region is the largest and they want to draw on that pool of racers to maximize income.  So, they combine regions at all of these race tracks to get everybody there.  

I think this is where CCS does not make sense.  They combine so many of the races, they might as well not even have 2 or three regions.  It could all be MW very easily.  I think CCS has figured out that the current setup is the most economical approach.  What do you do?  :-/

Another thing to consider is this:  The reason that I race CCS is for the variety of tracks.  I really think this is where CCS shines above some of the other organizations.  

Another thought:  If you live in a state that touches the Great Lakes, that is the GL region.  :P

[the_weggie_man]

It's all about money folks. CCS doesn't draw enough riders to Topeka or MAM without the MW region.

I agree the regions should be more segregated but it won't happen until there are enough riders from these other regions for CCS to make money.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

Another thought:  If you live in a state that touches the Great Lakes, that is the GL region.  :P

According to the Cambridge Dictionary the Midwest is defined as:

     *an area in the US which includes Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Missouri and Kansas



The states that contact the Great Lakes are as follows:

     *New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

[ekraft84]

It's all about money folks. CCS doesn't draw enough riders to Topeka or MAM without the MW region.

I agree the regions should be more segregated but it won't happen until there are enough riders from these other regions for CCS to make money.

 

That's too bad because it works kinda the opposite for me.  Being that most of the MW schedule is far for me, I'll rather not race at all.  With WERA's NC region, most of the tracks are within reason, so I end up making the effort to go to a one-off VIR event and the trip to Georgia at the end of the year which is more money for them.  I guess it can be looked at more than one way.

[Super Dave]

According to the Cambridge Dictionary the Midwest is defined as:

     *an area in the US which includes Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Missouri and Kansas

Yes, but go to St Louis.  

The arch is "the gateway to the West".

I think Kansas, the Dakota's, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Wyoming and maybe part of Colorado, and then Texas might be part of the Great Plains.

[Jeff]

As mentioned, you'll never see 2 RA weekends.  Too expensive.

Bring Gateway back?!? no thanks...  I was glad to see it go.

2+ gingerman would be GREAT.  one grattan, okay (but the place could really use some new pavement).

From what I hear from everyone, I'd be up for a run to Putnam...