CCS vs WERA

[MadXX]

But that adds to unsprung weight.

And who's they?

From Mongo on the WERA Board:

"The mounting position will NOT be on the tailsection. We are going with a front fork mounting to increase the accuracy of the system. We will have foam forms available to help mount the transponder bracket to the fork leg. They will need to be on the left fork leg on ALL machines, this will speed up everyone getting checked prior to going on track. The lower fork tube should alos be a much safer position although we have never had one destroyed in a crash, only when kicked off"

The transponder thread over threre:
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41096

I practically live on a computer so I lurk over there off and on as well.  

[Super Dave]

So, how does that work with an upsidedown fork as the leg is the upper?

I'd wonder if the heat from the brake caliper would heat soak the transmitter.

[GAMEDIC]

I thought a steering damper was required for all bikes in CCS.  I thought I saw that in the CCS rulebook.

Nope you do not HAVE to have one it says nothign about it in the rule book not that i can find anyway

[Brad]

Dave, the AMB units are small and will fit on USD's at the caliper hanger. I believe they will be mounted(recommended)with a foam block between the trans bracket and the actual fork material. This should eliminate hi-freq vibration and eliminate any heat sink effect...Plus they will be out in a bit of a breeze! ;D

[Super Dave]

This should eliminate hi-freq vibration and eliminate any heat sink effect...Plus they will be out in a bit of a breeze! ;D

I don't know.  Air cooling isn't very good.  That's why regulators are mounted to something solid.  I still think there will be a lot of heat transfer.  Brakes are too hot to hold onto after racing, so you know that they are more than 140 degrees plus, but I'd bet more.

Hmmm....

[bmfgsxr]

i have not raced wera so i dont know about them, but ill add my 2 cents here..


tech should be strict.. why, because its our asses out there they are trying to protect.. so bring on strict tech. if your bike isnt wired up properly you dont belong on the track. side covers should not be an option, they should be mandatory (ccs knows which bikes need them and which dont). nothing worse than getting ready for your race only to have the race before red flagged for oil on the track , and having to wait forever for the oil to get cleaned up. ccs contingency is great as long as you are good enough to earn it.  i cant say anything bad about wera, but i love ccs/lrrs.

[cstem]

Buying a transponder is a joke!!  Transponders are not just a luxury.  Sure they give you all kinds of fluff like lap times and fastest lap (white-liars hate this) but they actually save the club money too.  If you have a working and tested transpnder system, you can eliminate most human scorers, while keeping one or two per race as a backup (less moeny paid to workers), they also can speed up the results posting (happy racers=more money) and use less people in the scoring room (more money not spent again).  So, for WERA to save all this money AND charge the racers another $300 is baffling to me.

As far as tech goes, wiring a brake caliper is silly.  The weak link in a caliper is the mounting tabs and the bolt- if either break loose no safety wire will help, and in over twenty years of doing this thing I have never seen a caliper fall off (or headers, or fork oil bolts for you vintage folks or brake bleeders etc).  I think it is nice that CCS treats all racers like professionals that know how to and will have the sense to bring a decent bike to the track (before someone say is there is always a exception).  

CCS has the broadest base of racing- with a CCS liscence you can race all over the 48 United States- no matter where you go you can find CCS within a 12 hour drive (for those of you in Wyoming!).
I am seriously biased here, but as I have said before- I have seen racing from many different angles and organizations and still think that CCS has the best racing, racers and ovberall class.  

[slclark65]

I so have to disagree with CCS having faster racers than WERA.  From working for both organizations in different capacity's I have seen most of it.  Not only the west coast.  Being from the east coast there are so many crossover riders that race both that you can not say one set of riders are better and faster than the other.

Just thought i'd through my .02 around.  Not that it really matters.  Just tired of the "our guys are faster than your guys crap"

Hope things are well Corey.  Tell your mom, dad and Adrianne Stacey says HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

[r6_philly]

I so have to disagree with CCS having faster racers than WERA.  From working for both organizations in different capacity's I have seen most of it.  Not only the west coast.  Being from the east coast there are so many crossover riders that race both that you can not say one set of riders are better and faster than the other.

Just thought i'd through my .02 around.  Not that it really matters.  Just tired of the "our guys are faster than your guys crap"

Hope things are well Corey.  Tell your mom, dad and Adrianne Stacey says HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

wasnt just yesterday there was a discussion that wera guys are faster than ccs guys?it all depends on whos doing the talking

[Team_nuclear123]

Corey,

A very well kown AMA mechanic had a front brake caliper fall off at a trackday at willow springs years ago... Not a good thing

Saftey wire shows that it was tightened, not really there to hold the part on...

That being said.. I believe that only the oil and filter need to be wired, but now I must drill and wire the whole damn bike because we are going to race some WERA events... Oh well , rules is rules! LOL

Saftey wire doesnt work though, remember AMA at Mid Ohio?

[Super Dave]

I so have to disagree with CCS having faster racers than WERA.  From working for both organizations in different capacity's I have seen most of it.  Not only the west coast.  Being from the east coast there are so many crossover riders that race both that you can not say one set of riders are better and faster than the other. 

I'm in total agreement Stacey (Hi!;D).  Riders are fast, not organizations.  

And I have seen two brake calipers fall off.  

The worst part of that is that the caliper will pretty much work, mostly,  until the bolts completely fall out.  Then the caliper can get ripped off and then there is no brake pressure for anything.  

[slclark65]

Hey Dave,  How are you?  I haven't talked to you in ages.  I'm doing well.  Moving back to Virginia in about a week or so.  But i'm sure i'll see you at an AMA race on the east coast this year.

Stacey