CCS vs WERA

[KBOlsen]

$110 if purchased prior to July.

[Eric Kelcher]

 So here are my questions
1, tech....is it comparable to wera
Sort of some things are not required like things you will be messing with before going to race (axles, brakes etc) if those things are required then you are allowed to remove them to change tires then you should have to retech right? Side covers are required on some current race bikes that have been shown to lose oil when hitting the ground, WERA no longer requires them.

2, payout an contegency programs,,,rate them

Contingency over 11 million last year offered, GT ($500) and ULGP($1000) purses
3, bike counts, are they decent

Kevin answered this in another thread CCS entries ave 640 Wera 420 so you should see more depending on track/weekend

4, do you feel you are getting a good bang for your buck

well I am biased but of course

5 if you have raced both what do you like dislike about each

WERA gridding by points (if in  for a class championship)
CCS gridding by entry for hit or miss racing (I do more of this now so I like it better)
WERA tech seems to be all over region to region race to race on what is required tech seems fit more as one size fits all
CCS tech  tailors to specfic bike requirements no dropping belly pan unless THAT bike needs it, no steering damper as many bikes do not need them and having one does not insure that it works.
WERA entry fee is higher, and you have to buy your own ~$350 transponders
CCS transponder is included in entry fee which is less.

thanks for helping me make my descion for next year

bobo

[r1owner]

 no steering damper as many bikes do not need them and having one does not insure that it works.

I thought a steering damper was required for all bikes in CCS.  I thought I saw that in the CCS rulebook.

[tzracer]

Checked last year. I could not find steering damper being required.

[Brad]

WERA license is $100 and is good for one year from date of purchase.

2004 race fees (post entry) are 70,50,40 from there. This is only a $5 increase since last year. Not $10 as stated earlier. Seems like thats what I paid CCS at Barber in '03.

Transponders are $260 for purchase.(not that I really want to spend that,but I will) WERA doesn't have pockets like Clear Channel behind them to drop $500k or more to supply them. If you plan to only run a couple WERA rounds and don't want to rent for $40, don't run then. If you plan on a full series/multiple seasons, it's not too big a deal really when you consider you can sell it in a year or two if you quit racing or something, for a couple hundred bucks. SCCA use the same ones and also BUY their own.

For tech comparisons, I would rather tech people be more thorough. If you are to lazy to remove a bellypan or do some safety wiring..maybe consider something else. This stuff is dangerous enough without worrying about someone's POS dropping parts and bolts at 140mph.

People are too spoiled these days. Folks will drop big $$ on warmers, ti and carbon parts,  or other stuff they don't really need.. Seems nobody remembers the "old days" of racing..and I'm only talking 8-10 years ago...Just 2cents that will probably draw flak..Oh well!

[stumpy]

 Agreed... Safety Wiring is easy and can save alot of trouble. Instead of spending all that time on a "perfect sticker job" Wire your header bolts ;)
Although not as dangerous as a Drain plug loose, A loud header could "spend Dollars" as Keith Code would say, and take your mind off racing.

StUmPy

Hey Super Dave did you read Keith's books?? ;D ;D ;)

[tshort]

RE transponders (er, transmitters ???), the $300 or so isn't that big a deal if you're going to race their full schedule.  Plus, I checked out the website for the company that is furnishing those tranismitters, and if I read it correctly, the transmitter company provides *real time* access to lap times, AND downloadable laptime summaries from their website.

In the scheme of my racing budget, $300 is a set of tires - ie, not much at all.  And I spent nearly that on my UltraLap, which I then went and destroyed in a crash.  These transponders could be used as a replacement for the laptimer if you were really desparate.  For all the whining people are doing about the transponder, you'd think the thing cost a couple g's.

[Rawrider]

In the scheme of my racing budget, $300 is a set of tires - ie, not much at all.  And I spent nearly that on my UltraLap, which I then went and destroyed in a crash.  These transponders could be used as a replacement for the laptimer if you were really desparate.  For all the whining people are doing about the transponder, you'd think the thing cost a couple g's.

This debate will never end but I dont think its whining. What is more important to MOST racers, a set of tires or a transponder. Regardless of what some may think, the majority of racers are on a strict budget. Transponders are more of a luxury if nothing else. Laptimers are of more use to an individual as he/she can receive the data during a lap and can use it at any track, any time, not just for one association with one type of system that another association may not use.

All that being said, the luxury of having a transponder IS pretty cool 8)

[MELK-MAN]

I thought a steering damper was required for all bikes in CCS.  I thought I saw that in the CCS rulebook.

nope.. not required. I have seen to accidents DUE to steering dampers that had a bolt come loose, then not allow the bars to be turned in one direction or the other. I however swear by them and would not consider racing without one..

[MELK-MAN]

in defence of the WERA transponder thing.. they CAN be resold and reused after your done racing.. im sure they will hold a good value as it's either buy new or save a few bucks and get one in the classifieds.
We are not yet using them as the problems appear to be more trouble than they are worth, but once the bugs are worked out im sure CCS will go with them as well. THen what.. gonna quit racing altogether? ;)

[tzracer]

I suppose that if you crash and destroy it, you have to buy another.

[MadXX]

For what its worth they are having the racers mount their transponders on the forks.  Its supposed to keep them from being damaged in all but the worst crashes.