Passing under waving yellow?

[xlr8tn]

Anyone experience this weekend after weekend?  Am I the only one to complain about passing under waving yellow?  For the past two weekends, one of my races had a crash in turn one and on lap two, approaching with caution, getting passed mid turn (not under braking).  Where does the NO PASSING start / finish and why are corner workers not reporting this?  Twice I've given up a position or so doing the right thing.  

-brent

[r6_philly]

it is supposed to start from the flag station and finish at the place of the incident. If they do a waving yellow at station 1 and the crash is somewhere in turn 1, I can see it is hard for them to judge it is legal or not. I know it is best to be cautious when you see a yellow, but if you slow down, you could be passed on the way to the flagging station, or someone may time it so they will pass you right as you come pass the incident. I think they best thing to do when you see a yellow is to be mindful of an incident in the next corner and approach with caution, but do not slow down at all, unfortunately. It is a risk you take. But if there is really something wrong, like oil on track, or debris, I think you will see the debri flag as well. I suppose just make sure you don't crash. I think if there is really something wrong wtih the corner involved and you can't pass through at normal speed, they would red flag it.

[MELK-MAN]

i suppose you could always protest and perhaps get the spot you lost back?

[r6_philly]

i suppose you could always protest and perhaps get the spot you lost back?

I wanted to before, and the referree told me that if there is in fact a fraction, corner workers would have called it in, if they didn't call it in, they wouldn't have a record of it and wouldn't be able to make a call afterwards, basiclly, it is not protestable.

[xlr8tn]

I wanted to before, and the referree told me that if there is in fact a fraction, corner workers would have called it in, if they didn't call it in, they wouldn't have a record of it and wouldn't be able to make a call afterwards, basiclly, it is not protestable.

Exactly...this time I actually pointed it out while it was occuring.  If they didn't see that, I have no clue as to what they were looking at ???  I could care less about the position; probably would have passed me anyway, but it's more about safety.  If racers know their never going to get called on this, they basically will ignore it every single time.

[dave333]

I was taught NO passing as soon as a waving yellow is visible.  You are to get a hand in the air and let the folks in back of you know you are coming off race pace.  Slow to a prudent speed until you no longer see a waving yellow ahead.  

This is a hobby, this is club racing, not the WSB title fight.  The waving yellow is telling you something is dead ahead, in the race line and you need to avoid it.  Please start putting SAFETY first and leave the puny, ill-developed ego's at home!!!  >:(

Sorry for my rant, but I have already read about far too many accidents this year.  I am almost glad I don't have the cash to get out there just yet...    :'(

[r6_philly]

bring that up with Art next time you go race. He listens to our concerns, maybe they will stress that at riders meeting, and stress that with corner workers. I mentioned that the time between 2 waves were too long in the GTU race and they shortened it.

[smoke]

Please note  that only the corner cpt has the ability to talk to the tower. The flagger can only listen to all the calls on the track via the head set.

So If and when I do and have seen passing on a waving yellow I can only write down the bike number and turn it in to the corner capt.

[Gixxer124]

Going into turn 7 at BHF, I'd decided to pass the guy in front of me by out braking him. As I'm coming alone side of him, I look up to see a waving yellow flag. A rider had just crashed in that turn, so the flag was just being displayed. I finished the pass because I was allready comitted to the line I had choosen. I went down the front straight, wondering if I would be penilized. I wasn't. Was it because the corner worker didn't see what happend or did I make a legal pass? Just wondering.

[tzracer]

The current CCS rule is no passing from the position of the flag (not when you see the flag) - a line drawn from the flag 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the track, until you pass the incident. It is not really a good idea to slow significantly for a waving yellow, you don't know what is happening behind you. The rule book does not require you to slow, just to have your bike under control and be able to take evasive action if necessary.

[davegsxrold929r]

The current CCS rule is no passing from the position of the flag (not when you see the flag) - a line drawn from the flag 90 degrees (perpendicular) to the track, until you pass the incident. It is not really a good idea to slow significantly for a waving yellow, you don't know what is happening behind you. The rule book does not require you to slow, just to have your bike under control and be able to take evasive action if necessary.

100% correct...

and KC124  you were in the right., if you are commited and the corner workers can tell that ., there is no penalty., it would actually be unsafe for you to try to slow to NOT pass,. they use common sense too ., .,

as for the first  post here ., that started this., it sounds like you are slowing too much and too soon for a waving yeloow flag., just be safe., this is club racing,. but you could be causing more danger by doing what you do.... also to the one who posted slow and put your hand up is what you were taught ??????????????????????????????????  i do not think so., that is for a RED flagg.....

[xlr8tn]

100% correct...

and KC124  you were in the right., if you are commited and the corner workers can tell that ., there is no penalty., it would actually be unsafe for you to try to slow to NOT pass,. they use common sense too ., .,

as for the first  post here ., that started this., it sounds like you are slowing too much and too soon for a waving yeloow flag., just be safe., this is club racing,. but you could be causing more danger by doing what you do.... also to the one who posted slow and put your hand up is what you were taught ??????????????????????????????????  i do not think so., that is for a RED flagg.....

Definitely not slowing ... but cautious and observing the waving yellow flag watching a fellow racer pass outside the braking zone.