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CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« on: October 19, 2011, 12:32:19 pm »
Found this out after tech inspection at VIR : According to the rule book, any helmet with the snell M2005 sticker (regardless of date of manufacture) is only valid till end of 2011.  Dont understand why this rule is so different from other race org's (ie WERA) which state helmets must be no older than 5 yrs post manufacture date and carry a '00-'10 Snell label.
Question has been posted to the rule book officials, but thought I'd post it here too for feedback.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 02:02:15 pm »
It varies with each org. AMA also requires '10 much like CCS. I would be surprised if WERA requires '10 starting next year. SCCA allows one standard back from the current.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 04:29:09 pm »
I would like see a change to a 5 year max manufacture date. As worded in the 2011 Rule Book, no more snell 2005 helmets. Which means a 2 year old manufacture date "NEW helmet" is DQ'd. 
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 12:37:58 pm »
It would be nice to see a rule change on the 2005 snell. I have 3 helmets that are in great shape with the 2005 snell. 1 is brand new.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2011, 09:09:52 am »
I agree that the rule should include one Snell date back from the latest regardless of MFG date.
 
It seems to me that these types of rules are instituted in good faith but are based on "studies" designed to sell helmets. Styrofoam that won't degrade in a landfill for 1,000 years is suddenly so sensitive when money is involved.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2011, 05:01:32 pm »
now i got to buy 2 new helmets and thats alot of $$ for me at $800 each.I don't get el chepos $200 ones.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 07:26:41 pm »
That's silly. The rules do state that buy it also mentions that M2011 is good also. There's no such thing as M2011. M2005 just means it was built to M2005 standards, not that it was made in 2005. Someone needs to inform the rule makers. I am not going to buy another $800 helmet (built in 2009 - built to M2005 standards) because of some silly rule.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 03:27:32 pm »
I like the Shoei RF1000 helmet.............. It fits perfect. It's quiet, gives me confidence that it'll save my noggin. I tried others, HJC too noisy & felt cheap, Arai doesn't fit me.  Shoei doesn't make the RF1000 anymore, BUT I have a brand new RF 1000, Snell 2005, Manufactured Dec. 24, 08 in a box at the house.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 12:37:52 pm »
I don't have a rule book around, but there are certainly opportunities for buying helmets with the EU and/or DOT standards too. 
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 06:03:18 pm »
not sure if the window of opportunity for voicing rule changes has closed, though I already emailed the powers that be to consider changing the "M2011" rule before the Oct 21 deadline.  It may still be beneficial to send email to  info@ccsracing.us to affect some change.  Hopefully the moderators of the rule change group also look at the postings in this forum.  We'll see I guess.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 08:38:51 pm »
I emailed the office about a month ago to change this rule to 5 years vice snell rating.
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Re: CCS Helmet rule 5.1.1
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2011, 01:32:33 am »
I don't have a rule book around, but there are certainly opportunities for buying helmets with the EU and/or DOT standards too. 

Here ya go Dave. Heres the paragraph right out of the rulebook.

5.1.1 Undamaged full-face helmet with face shield and bearing a stamp of
approval from one of the following international standards:
Snell M2005 and M2011 (USA)
(Snell M2005 will remain valid thru 2011)
BS. 6658 TYPE. A (GREAT - BRITAIN)
ECE 22 - 04 & ECE 22 - 05 “P” (EUROPE)
JIS 8133:2000 / JIS 8133:2007 (JAPAN)
(JIS 8133:2000 will remain valid thru 2011).
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