I truly like the mindset that if you have a different opinion, or a different way of looking at things that you are a winer.(whinner). How about this one. Let the Buells and Duc's run in LWSB using SS rules. Everyone should understand that you can build a 1000 or 1200cc bike to have much more HP than you can a smaller displacement bike when comparing 4 stroke to 4 stroke. George.....this is a suggestion, not whinning. Civil conversation and an understanding of a view other than your own is a nice thing. It is easy to like the rules as they are when you are the beneficiary of the rules. I am not asking you to sell your bike or race an SV, I am simply making suggestions that will make the racing more competitive and therefore have more participants. P.S. Pirelli has done what you suggested. They have eliminated contingency and lowered the price of the tires by about $45.00 per set for the SV. Do not know what the price reduction is for the Duc. I hope that in the future we can keep from calling fellow racers names. There are fewer and fewer of us as you have said. We can be friends and disagree. Peter Meringolo (hope I spelled his name right) and I are friends and he rides a Duc. (a very fast Duc with a great rider) We are a small group of people, the friendships that I have made while racing will by far outlast the wood that the plaques are made of. Have a good season George and I hope that I will have the opportunity to race with you someday.