Sorry if I offend anyone, but had to share

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

You know, our little Rhiannon is over there, along with a few hundred thousand other soldiers who are all special to the people who love them.  According to the news reports, some of these soldiers are dying.  The point of their mission is to keep a Jack@$$ dictator with a very bad history from using nuclear weapons whenever and wherever he decides to have a hissy fit.  The only people who should support this war are the ones with a vested interest in staying alive and free.
I don't think I'd have the patience to deliver those nose punches one at a time, but I found the post very funny.  Anyone besides me for a new law requiring immediate deportation for anyone who spits on a returning soldier?
To me, war was always something they made movies about.  Now that my friends are involved, war is the worst thing I've ever heard of.  My mom always taught me to turn the other cheek.  I was the biggest kid in the neighborhood, and she was afraid I'd really hurt someone.  Because I wouldn't fight, I got picked on constantly.  The day a bulley knocked out my front teeth, my stance on non-violence changed drastically and immediately.  My response was swift, bloody, and nearly got me sent to the juvinile home.  Moral?  It's easier to be a pacifist if the injury is not a personal, life-changing event, but should a citizen wait until it's HIS @$$ before he supports the efforts of the goverment and our soldiers to keep us safe?

[Super Dave]

About war...

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mill

[Super_KC124]

Hell yes you can be against a war and support our troops! Not every war that was fought had a just cause. Our troops are our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers ect... (even me) We swore an oath to follow our leaders, right or wrong.

[Super Dave]

"I have sworn upon the altar of Almighty God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

As such as the Iraqi government forces people to throw themselves at our soldiers with the threat of killing whole families, chemical attacks on villages, and execution of British soldiers and Saddam's own people.

Anyone remember the Iraqi soccer team?  I hope that Sean Penn feels better about supporting no action against a monster.

[Super Dave]

And across from France...

"Never turn your back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"
-- Winston Churchill

Yet our friends in France sell the Iraqi's material that can be used against the people of Iraq and the rest of the world in a hostility.

[Super Dave]

Saddam kills his own people even now.  Might even be blowing stuff up in Baghdad to make it look like we're killing civilians...

"Any excuse will serve a tyrant."
-- Aesop - "The Wolf and the Lamb"

[Super Dave]

With all of this, there appears to be some animisity from other countries...

As such...

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
-- Mark Twain

When things are all said and done, I prefer all those who do not support action to humble themselves by staying inside, hiding as they did before, under the protection that the United States provides.

And interestingly, the "Coalition of the Willing" is growing...

[Super Dave]

Will the liberated Iraqi's waste their liberty when it comes?

"Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty; it is a blessing that must be earned before it can be enjoyed."
-- Charles Colton

It won't be pretty.  

It won't be easy.

[Super Dave]

Maybe lastly...

"War is an evil thing; but to submit to the dictation of other states is worse.... Freedom, if we hold fast to it, will ultimately restore our losses, but submission will mean permanent loss of all that we value.... To you who call yourselves men of peace, I say: You are not safe unless you have men of action on your side."
-- Thucydides - 413 B.C.

[Super Dave]

Hell yes you can be against a war and support our troops! Not every war that was fought had a just cause. Our troops are our sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers ect... (even me) We swore an oath to follow our leaders, right or wrong.

Is this war unjust?

"The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea."
-- John Adams - Constitution of Massachusetts: Declaration of Rights (1780)

My oath was to protect the US and the Constitution, etc.  And as such, our leaders swore that oath.  We were never to follow orders that were WRONG.  Indeed, telling someone that they are wrong can be quite painful, but, as things have been stated before, freedom is not free.

Recently, I read about the Tuskegee Airmen, the Black gentlemen that were trained as aviators during WWII.  They walked into an Officer's Club that was for "White's Only".  They were taken out, put up on charges, ordered to sign a statement that they would not go in to that club.  They refused with the threat of courtmartial and the death penalty.  

They won.  More so, because they knew what was right.

[Super Dave]

You know, our little Rhiannon is over there, along with a few hundred thousand other soldiers who are all special to the people who love them.  According to the news reports, some of these soldiers are dying... only people who should support this war are the ones with a vested interest in staying alive and free.

And to support our troops without supporting the war is what?

Making sure that they have food and water....but no bullets, fuel, or helmets?  I need someone that actually "supports the troops" but does "not support the war" explain exactly how that can be?

Anyone besides me for a new law requiring immediate deportation for anyone who spits on a returning soldier?

Seems like there might be enough community policing available on that subject this time around that I doubt anyone will be doing that...

[Super Dave]

Events leading up to September 11th, 2001, we ignored.  I cannot ignore the occurances of that day.

It is for that day that I looked with great concern at the world that my two darling boys might have to live in...

War was put on us by others.  To think that we weren't...'tis a lie...

"It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
-- Patrick Henry, March, 1775