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Started by xb9racer, July 19, 2008, 04:23:05 PM

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tug296

The genius of Edmonson utilizing the money of nascar, let it roll and iron out the squirmy details later.
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Florida Region,  
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Gino230

The idea of dyno limited classes is great, but like all great ideas......

With today's electronics, it is too easy to cheat, and nearly impossible to regulate. If you've ever raced ASRA or MotoST (or have an in depth knowledge of ECU technology) you know this. I raced ASRA Daytona, and in qualifying I was passed on the banking by BMW's that were making 12 HP less than me, but despite thier greater size and weight, were somehow magically 20MPH faster on the top end....(and don't give me that business about corner exit drives, either...redline in 6th is redline in 6th!) Yes, these guys were better riders, but don't tell me there's no cheating going on.

As for the rest of the classes, I like the idea of FIM Superbikes, but I thought the whole reason for getting rid of Superstock was because it was repetitive... but two Superbike classes is not? And Supersport, the most exciting and competitive class, is gone!
CCS / ASRA EX # 23
2012 Ducati 848 / 1100 Conversion     2005 Ducati 749RS
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cardzilla

Quote from: Gino230 on July 29, 2008, 11:53:34 PM
The idea of dyno limited classes is great, but like all great ideas......

With today's electronics, it is too easy to cheat, and nearly impossible to regulate. If you've ever raced ASRA or MotoST (or have an in depth knowledge of ECU technology) you know this. I raced ASRA Daytona, and in qualifying I was passed on the banking by BMW's that were making 12 HP less than me, but despite thier greater size and weight, were somehow magically 20MPH faster on the top end....(and don't give me that business about corner exit drives, either...redline in 6th is redline in 6th!) Yes, these guys were better riders, but don't tell me there's no cheating going on.

As for the rest of the classes, I like the idea of FIM Superbikes, but I thought the whole reason for getting rid of Superstock was because it was repetitive... but two Superbike classes is not? And Supersport, the most exciting and competitive class, is gone!

I have to disagree there.  I understand that people will cheat, but my one Moto-ST experience was on a pretty much bone stock Superhawk in the first 8 hr event and I was amazed at how I could hang with any top bike out there.  I passed the lead SV1000 several times using the draft in fact (too bad for the chicane).  A lot goes into top speed, tuck position, rider weight, bike attitude on the bank, tire pressure, gearing, tire growth, etc... so don't necessarily assume you're getting hosed by a cheater, it's been my experience in racing that most times you think someone's cheating, they're not.
Larry Dodson
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2004 Yamaha R1 Superbike