No Roebling Road in 2008 ???

[rogers1323]

Wera is going there several times, including the weekend in June that CCS usually has it.  I might actually go there twice with WERA next year. 

[stickboy274]

While were at it, what about little Tally?

[yetidave]

Very cool track but the people running it are some of the biggest a-holes I've ever encountered.

[cbusa]

The southeast schedule is awful this year. Why do we keep losing races? Roebling has often run close to WERA. I always look forward to RRR.

[Garywc]

if we are loosing a track such as RRR we should get a new that we haven't had its only fair

[Z-man]

The southeast schedule is awful this year. Why do we keep losing races? Roebling has often run close to WERA. I always look forward to RRR.

I'm going to speculate turn out.  Daytona, Roebling, Carolina and Barber are all very far to be considered mid atlantic (well 3 of 4 are very far) and having been to all those races in 2006.  Carolina had grids of 10-20 tops, Roebling, I got wood for just finishing one lap, the turnout was so low.

Tough to make all those far away dates and if you aren't going to all the races,  you aren't competing to win a championship, you don't have to win races to win championships you have to show up and finish in the top half, I won two championships in '06 and never won a race.  I think these low turnout races can hurt more then they help (Shenandoah also).  You miss a far away race (or crash) and all of a sudden you are out of the points, why bother killing yourself to make all the other far ones if the hopes of any type of championship is in the toliet. 

I do like the way some of our dirt counterparts run their series.  Best 10 races out of 13, this gives incentive to goto all the races to improve your points but also doesn't leave you out in the cold when your wife tells you her cousin is getting married on a double points weekend  and you have run out of excuses having blown off the last two family weddings and she is leaving you if you miss another one.  I also think this would help improve turnouts at most tracks and would mean more money coming into CCS because more then 3-5 guys would run a full series each year. 

Just my 2 cents.
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[Garywc]

Dave are you trying to make sense?

[cbusa]

I can understand the turnout issue. It's frustrating to lose events year after year.

Maybe CCS should abandon the SE Division, that would make more sense if barber is considered mid Atlantic what is the point of having a SE.

[Z-man]

Dave are you trying to make sense?

I think I made sense, just a suggestion to help improve the series turnout overall and take steps to get away from the ability to buy a championship by just showing up.  I took a quick look through the points totals in the Mid Atlantic and South East divisions and not to take anything away from the guys who won championships but in the Mid Atlantic region 9 of 18 Expert classes were won by guys with below a 610 point performance index.  3 Expert classes were won with less then a 500 point index.  3 classes were won by guys not finishing in the top half on average.

In the Southeast division there were 7 Expert classes won by guys with below a 610 performance index and 3 Expert classes were won buy guys with less then 500.

This is not meant as a dig but as constructive criticism of how those numbers can improve and help strengthen the organization and help more guys run the full series.

I told Eric I only had one soapbox to stand on regarding Shanendoah, sorry after this I will keep my mouth shut and wait for the season to start, I love racing with CCS and just wish it was easier to run the full series.

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[rogers1323]

I agree about $$ and travel time etc to run the whole series in a region.  However, I think the more important question is why are we trying to make it easier for fast guys to win a championship without showing up to all the rounds?  It has always been the case in racing that showing up is the most important part.  I don't think this should be any different.  If you want to look at changing some of this, then make a greater point disparity between each finishing position.  Don't let people drop entire rounds from counting, b/c that will let people who do really care about winning the championship not show up to a couple rounds that they would if the points counted.

[Z-man]

  However, I think the more important question is why are we trying to make it easier for fast guys to win a championship without showing up to all the rounds?  It has always been the case in racing that showing up is the most important part. 

Showing up is the most important part?  Then I guess I have it all backwards, I thought finding ways to encourage larger grids and more competition were pretty important,  and bringing more talent to run a full series so skills were rated higher then showing up were also important.  Showing up is obviously important, but aren't we racing, so shouldn't skills be rated higher then someone showing up and finishing each race in the bottom half and still being able to win a championship?  I don't think the sport is called Road Showing Up, it is called Road Racing so shouldn't racing be the most important part?

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[Garywc]

how about if they just used the performance index to determine the champions rather then adjust points with the index
or something along those lines would that work out ?

so if you were able to win at crowded events you would have a good index as compared to some one who wins at less crowded events and doesnt do so well when its crowded?