Daytona amatuer supertwins

[Super Dave]

Ok, so I'll toss this out since everyone's here.

Reallly, a three tier system might be in order.  I'm not talking like Loudon, but something different.

There needs to be an honest amateur class.  A real sport learning class.  Something where a non experienced rider could start racing.  Call it "amateur", limit a rider to that class for 18 months or something.  Minimal classes.  Lightweight, Middleweight, Unlimited, with no index for bike modifications.  Think of it as a replacement for track days. 

On top, the "expert" class.  Fewer classes than currently available.  Maybe races that are 20 to 50% longer than the current set ups.  Maybe some purse paying classes. 

In the middle, "Sportsman".  This is where a lot of racers might remain.  They are sportsman racers that love to race.  They don't want to race in the AMA, they don't feel they can be competitive in manufacturers contingency races, etc., etc.  Put Formula Geriatric in there, not in "expert".  Make all the points you want to crown a sportsman champion. 

A rider can be invited to move into the sportsman class from amateur.  Additionally, they can be invited to move from sportsman to expert.  At some point in a rider's career, they may not feel the specific needs nor financial ability to race as an expert...they can move back to being a sportsman rider.  No big rewards in sportsman racing, but it might be fun.

With all the contingency and the mobility of individuals, it seems as though there's continued goofiness happening with experts riding as amateurs, in some cases, and less competitive bumped experts feelling that motorcycle racing doesn't offer anything to them...is that the root cause of why total entries per rider is dropping?  Yeah, the cost is going up, but aren't we still seeing rider average two years?  Why not do something to change that to make it three years?  Imagine what would happen to organizational license fees if one could just increase racer life by 50%?

[surftheasphalt]

The season is not over, there is still a race at Homestead in Dec.
http://www.ccsracing.com/points/2007/FLPTS%20Class.htm

and Hi is 1st in twin AM FL
so tell me Hi is not competitive HAHAHA
Take away the Championship ,Hi is a disgrace to racing community

[SVbadguy]

Fuel for the fire?

http://www.wera.com/racerprofiles/racers/R_Travis_Marshall_18827.htm

[surftheasphalt]

Fuel for the fire?

http://www.wera.com/racerprofiles/racers/R_Travis_Marshall_18827.htm

+1 really really interesting now

[JohnnyBlaze]

WTF!!!! He's an Expert in WERA for 2007!

[surftheasphalt]

this is a JOKE
same was Henderson,Expert in wera and am in CCS in 2006
and NOTHING was done just 

[tmx11]

Maybe that was the wrong choice in words. It was never against the CMRA. Everything I said is 100% true and accurate. I just wanted all these people to understand that the ruling did call for them to race expert for 2 weekends, before their petition would be accepted. (Those were the rules) and he followed them. He was not competitive to even win the novice class.

Maybe because I didn't have the rulebooks side by side, by your point of view, I was inaccurate. All I want to see, is a good start, for two clubs to race side by side. As the person who starts, such a venue, I believe his credibility, is very important. He did try to follow the rules. He was unhappy with the ruling, he switched clubs to be classified differently, by the sanctioning body.

It's the same everywhere, if the person that protests, does well, everyone else somehow calls "CHEATER". If you are on his tail, what does that make you? That just means, it took you one year to do what he did in two.

No one except the person that started this thread, had any idea, about the circumstances that lead to this point. This was a poop fest, started by one person, with ill intent, towards this person. But, just so happen to leave out the facts that lead to him switching clubs. I posted to tell everyone why. Not to bash anyone. Just to save an important person in racing's (and CCS's) credibility.  

Barry has my utmost respect. Seeing that he is trying to save face, and stick up for the club he loves so much. The one who started this thread, should be, the one speaking up.

Yes, he placed third in one class, he was no where near third, in the others, therefore he protested. He fell in a catagory, that put, the CMRA in a possition to rule in one way, so that 500 other people can't say "hey, well you let him do it!!!" CMRA is too big of a club to make exceptions for anyone.

[JohnnyBlaze]

If he doesn't want to be expert for 2007, why does he have expert status in WERA or did he get bumped there too?

[surftheasphalt]

BIG BS MR TMX11

[tmx11]

Remeber you all are complaining about getting beat by one of CMRA's slower novices.... Take away his championship, he finished 3rd to last in the CMRA expert ranks.. C'mon guys

[surftheasphalt]

are You TMX are his attorney
rules are for everybody period

[JohnnyBlaze]

That's probably because he only raced 2 race weekends out of his 2007 expert session before going Amatuer with CCS for 2007. So I guess that would make him 3rd to last out of experts with CMRA.