Daytona amatuer supertwins

[backMARKr]

Mark, don't make me repost the photo of the 'Ambiguously Gay Duo.'

Sorry sir......one of my students got on my computer and posted that!!!

( bad students !!! bad students!!!)

[BigJerm7]

gonna be hard to not get bumped now.  novice championships are cool.

[Racer997]

They advanced riders then came back just prior to start of season and said they were going to advance more riders to balance the grids (I think that was reason I heard on their BBS re 07 advancements),  Travis fell in this group, then required them to run expert races before determining the rider petition to remain Amateur. That is not CCS procedure as we review existing history prior to season starting so a rider can compete within the appropriate experience level, experts know a rider is up to par and Am are not competing against riders with expert talent/experience. As fully 1/4 of his races with CCS would have occurred prior to CMRA making a decision we had to make one prior to the season starting. When reviewing his finishes for 2006 it was apparent that he was an Amateur class rider with regard to his finishes and expeirence with CCS and with CMRA.

The announcement from the CMRA promoting Marshall to expert was made on 11/16/2007. CCS was 1/4 of the way through its 2007 race schedule in mid-November 2006?

http://bbs.125gp.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90712#Post90712

[Eric Kelcher]

The announcement from the CMRA promoting Marshall to expert was made on 11/16/2007. CCS was 1/4 of the way through its 2007 race schedule in mid-November 2006?

http://bbs.125gp.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90712#Post90712

As fully 1/4 of his races with CCS would have occurred prior to CMRA making a decision we had to make one prior to the season starting.

[CMRAracer41]

CMRA has a strange review process and how they advanced riders to expert that is unique only to them as far as I can tell. They advanced riders then came back just prior to start of season and said they were going to advance more riders to balance the grids (I think that was reason I heard on their BBS re 07 advancements),  Travis fell in this group, then required them to run expert races before determining the rider petition to remain Amateur. That is not CCS procedure as we review existing history prior to season starting so a rider can compete within the appropriate experience level, experts know a rider is up to par and Am are not competing against riders with expert talent/experience. As fully 1/4 of his races with CCS would have occurred prior to CMRA making a decision we had to make one prior to the season starting. When reviewing his finishes for 2006 it was apparent that he was an Amateur class rider with regard to his finishes and expeirence with CCS and with CMRA.

First of all. Eric, you are a good guy and I don't blame you for supporting your team, but this statement is VERY misleading.  Don't forget to mention that when YOU were a part of our CMRA staff you helped design our "unique" system for advancement.
Fact is Travis made expert because of his riding abilities and finishes.  What he didn't get was a championship which is what he wanted.  He petitioned, we declined based on his abilities and finishes, not that we needed more experts on grid.   No point system is perfect and sometomes a racer gets bumped that needs more novice time....this was not one of those times.  Travis flat out told our board that if he couldn't race novice he would move to another sanctioning body to race.  He did.  You know the rest.
The CMRA and CCS have a good history of working together and doing what is best for our sport.  This is not to put anyone in the CCS on the spot.  We all deal with a lot of racers from across the country and sometimes have to take people at their word.  I am not bashing the CCS and I don't want to see the CMRA bashed either.  Who you should be upset with is the racer.

Barry Nichols
Assistant Race Director
Cheif Corner Marshall
Expert #41
CMRA Member since 1990

[Super Dave]

Hey, Barry, I'll probably be stirring the pot...

But, regardless of anyone's intentions, stated or not, he did petition to remain amateur.  I'll agree that maybe that stating that the CMRA way of working with the petition to remain amateur is different. 

There will always be different ways of doing things.  The AMA worked things a little differently for Colin Edwards after all his amateur wins in 1991 with CCS and CMRA...so that he could race AMA Pro at Miami in November of 1991.

[tstruyk]

What he didn't get was a championship which is what he wanted.  He petitioned, we declined based on his abilities and finishes, not that we needed more experts on grid.   No point system is perfect and sometomes a racer gets bumped that needs more novice time....this was not one of those times.  Travis flat out told our board that if he couldn't race novice he would move to another sanctioning body to race.  He did

I guess I just dont see the logic... eh, everyone has their own motivation I guess.

[CMRAracer41]

Yes, it is true Travis appealed his advancement.  Each season, we have those racers who do, mostly because they are intimidated about becoming experts.  Travis was well qualified to be advanced, His petition was denied, and he RENEWED his license as an EXPERT and raced as such in February at OHR.  Shortly thereafter, he was an Amateur with CCS.  Now someone earlier said that the CMRA policy was to reconsider an Expert after the start of the next season, I cannot find that, and would look forward to someone pointing that out to me in the CMRA rulebook.

The CMRA Rulebook:

Per both the 2006 and 2007 rulebook (page 5, section 1.2):
"Riders may decline advancement via writing or email to CMRA if they feel they are not ready to compete on the Expert level, and may or may not be allowed to retain Novice status pending review of the rider's performance and finishes by the CMRA Board of Directors.
A rider may apply to move down in status from Expert to Novice if Novice riders are beating him consistently. Riders may or may not be allowed to move down in status pending a review of the rider's performance and finishes by the CMRA Board of Directors."

The CCS Rulebook:

Per the 2007 CCS rulebook, page 12, section 2.2.4 "A. CCS Officials will issue Expert licenses to those riders with proven experience or ability as follows: (2.) Amateur riders with organizations listed in section 2.2.1 who are being upgraded to Expert."  It also goes on to say in section 2.2.6 C. "It is the riders responsibility to notify Championship Cup Series and ASRA of changes of their licensing status with any organization during the calendar year."

Look, the CMRA rules are consistent with all major roadracing sanctioning bodies across the country.  The rules are considered and enforced by our MEMBER ELECTED Board of Directors who are the membership. 

I am only posting to keep the CMRA, and CCS for that matter, from being blamed for the actions of a smart racer who worked the system.

Barry Nichols   
Asst. Race Director
Chief Corner Marshall
CMRA member since 1990

[gpz11]

 

[BigJerm7]

sounds to me like he was supposed to tell CCS he was advanced to expert in another organization.  i think it's pretty obvious what happened.

[Burt Munro]

Didn't take Travis long to boast about his championship....

http://www.travismarshallmotorsports.com/index.html 

You'll note that no where does it mention that it's an Amateur championship - unless you look at the base of the trophy!!! 

[JBraun]

I don't get on a soapbox often, but this is complete bullshit.

I get beat all the time by guys who are faster than me, It's called racing. The idea is to work and improve and get faster, not to cheat the system and finally weasel your way into a class that you can win.

Congratulations dude. You lied about your classification so you could win a championship that FOUR guys contested. And you needed a built Ducati 998R to win a supertwins race?
I guess if you're cheating already, why not bring a machine gun to a fistfight.